re: Mizzou DE Michael Sam comes out

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You'd think the Father of the Sexual Revolution would hold a bit more sway for a person like yourself. But it's hard to change ideas. I get it.

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Yeah, it's one guy who's been dead for over 50 years. Let's not pretend whether one chooses his or her sexaulity is a question solved by old science. Kinsey isn't Isaac Newton.

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No, there's not. There's philosophical arguments against the anecdotal evidence (like you provide). But I don't feel it provides as sound an explanation.

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Yes, there really is. There's a nation of gay people you can go right ahead and ask. That's a great pool from which to draw anecdotes.

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This is an attempt to explain the evidence. It doesn't disprove anything. It's a "there's an invisible cat in the chair" argument. When someone says, "I don't see a cat," you simply respond with "that's exactly what we should expect." It's an unfalsifiable argument and I've never been a fan of those.

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Yeah, or it's just a very reasonable inference drawn from the evidence, something you're very much allowed to do when examining it.

Given what we know about the prejudice and oppression many face because of their homosexuality, it's not at all unfair to arrive at the conclusion I suggest.

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Sure. But if someone tells me they're a lesbian but they also have sex with men, it would seem that their sexuality is malleable at the very least.

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Oh you. Stop "explaining" the evidence. If you're doing guys and girls you like both.

Of course I can imagine some extraordinary situations in which an individual's sexual orientation is too inchoate or ambiguous to identify until he or she is middle-aged. I suspect that's the exception and not the rule. Regardless, a sexual impulse or desire doesn't become volitional merely because it arrives or develops at a later time.

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The percentage of people who only have sex with the same sex is extraordinarily low (1ish%).

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College.

Well I was really calling out the hypocrisy of the so-called 'tolerance' movement.

They are the most intolerant of all. Because if you don't agree with their very narrow way of thinking, then you're a bigot, homaphobe, racist, or closet homo.

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Well thats the point. This is news, because there is still a rather large group of people against homosexuality. Especially in professional football

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Eh. I don't think most people really really care. I'm pretty conservative on my views of sexuality but I don't care about my football team's player's views on it. I don't care if my safety has 4 kids by 3 women so I don't care if my DE is gay. I think most people are the same, really.

This is more an issue about media views and how they drive stories and coverage, IMO.

I just hope the guy can get those teeth fixed once the paycheck arrives.

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Toddy

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Ok. Perfect person to ask. Do you enjoy seeing people go nuts when someone comes out like this?

I've always thought if there is ever going to be true equality, that needs to stop.

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Eh. I don't think most people really really care

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this thread has gotten so big because no one really cares

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Eh. I don't think most people really really care. I'm pretty conservative on my views of sexuality but I don't care about my football team's player's views on it. I don't care if my safety has 4 kids by 3 women so I don't care if my DE is gay. I think most people are the same, really.

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This isn't about the fans, this is about the people in the NFL organizations that might draft him. Especially the players that will be on his team and that he'll face off against every week. No one knows if he'll be accepted because no one has been openly gay in the NFL before.

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Any team that won't draft him or pay him what he's worth is a shitty organization.

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I would draft him if I was a coach. Think of the advantage..he is already a great player. Now the person having to block him will know he is gay and feel weird having to grab him and stuff all game. Gives an advantage to Sam.

We care about the issue. We don't really care about it in relation to the person or our team.

I'm not a "pro-homosexual" guy. But I'm not devastated that I rooted for Sam all year nor do I suddenly think he's a horrible person. But I find the issue and the surrounding opinions very interesting.

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Undoubtedly the people who support homosexuality here are riding the current social/political climate and would be doing just the opposite 40 or 50 years ago because they have no core beliefs in which to base their view of right and wrong.

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I was met at my car with a baseball bat because I supported gay folks and made it known back when the bumper stickers derided "Bill Clinton's army" as a "a fig in every foxhole" so YOU can go frick yourself. There was not a goddamn thing popular about it.