I'm not necessarily in disagreement, but Widenhofer inherited Onofrio's teams, which had the talent to upset anyone. Stull inherited Woody's talent.

Also, as far as Barbara Euhling goes, she had more years to work her "magic" against our football program by the time Stull started. The training facilities were at least a decade behind everyone by the time he started.

The Big 8 at the time was like a knife fight in an elevator, and Nebraska and Oklahoma were usually the only ones with knives. Colorado had some high years during that era.

I'm also sure some coaches from before the 1940's (Faurot) had bad results.

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Posted by tpatten

Member since Oct 2013

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Posted on 12/17/25 at 7:42 am to smoked

If you look at the video I posted, at the 4:51 mark is where he moved the ball over the goal line and right after that the ref called a touchdown. It was during the timeout and after the last spike that we told the sideline ref he had the downs wrong but none of that interaction was in the video.

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Posted by notsince98

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Posted on 12/17/25 at 9:21 am to kilo

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Did they have a choice? No

Babs shoulders the blame for that era inside the AD.

No way. They all get the blame.

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Posted by LOTOTiger

Member since May 2025

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Posted on 12/17/25 at 9:59 am to Gunga Din

I was aware, and everyone around me was aware and holding up 5 fingers and screaming at the top of our 21 year old lungs during that last play which was 5th down. However, I don't think many people realized it (myself included) when the mistake actually happened, which I believe was between 2nd and 3rd down when they didn't change the down marker. I don't think many fans check the actual down marker on the field during the game - or could even see it, and the Mizzou coaching staff did not or they would have called it out. That miss haunted Stull the rest of his days. Ultimately, once the ball was snapped after the mistake (the second second down) there was no going back. BTW - Bob Stull was a really top notch person and decent coach in a really bad situation. He was a good leader as an AD for many years at UTEP.

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Posted by Tiger97

Member since Feb 2015

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Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:19 am to deputyfife

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Widenhofer inherited Onofrio's teams, which had the talent to upset anyone.

No he did not. Warren Powers did. Had a couple decent seasons with that talent and then the slow drain started.

If I remember correctly, Powers was a Nubber guy who tried to replicate the Nubber way without being able to recruit/pay like the Nubbers.

Things were trending badly with lots of holes by the time he was shown the door.

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Posted by navynuke

Member since Jun 2016

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Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:31 am to notsince98

Nah. Its all on Babs. The Grinch that stole Football got a yes man from Louisville to implement her policies to make Mizzou the "Harvard of the Midwest" because "Football is what Oklahoma and Texas do". Her PhD from Northwestern led her to believe she was going lead the university out of the dark ages. Her tenure cost the university millions with what she did to the FB program.

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Posted by Gunga Din

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Posted on 12/17/25 at 11:09 am to deputyfife

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I'm not necessarily in disagreement, but Widenhofer inherited Onofrio's teams, which had the talent to upset anyone. Stull inherited Woody's talent.

Just to be accurate Widenhofer inherited Warren Powers' teams...

But your point still stands. Warren Powers' Missouri was a tough out at least until the last year or so.

He beat OU twice in seven tries and had that epic win over Nebraska in 1978 in Lincoln.

This post was edited on 12/17/25 at 11:13 am

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Posted by deputyfife

Member since Dec 2013

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Posted on 12/18/25 at 2:04 am to Tiger97

I always forget Powers.