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re: Mike Leach: It's selfish for players to opt out of bowl games

Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:31 pm to
Posted by panhandlebama
Member since Oct 2021
1307 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:31 pm to
Understand the point but coaches quit on their teams all the time before the bowl. It's a huge business and I can't fault a player for skipping a meaningless bowl game. They gotta look out for themselves first.
Posted by Gunga Din
Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2020
1454 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 3:25 pm to
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How is expanding the playoffs going to make these game more meaningful? The more games, the higher possibilty of getting hurt. If anything it just encourages them to declare for the draft earlier.



This is interesting. However it is a bit different in that you are actually playing for a ring. You are playing in front of the whole nation for the first time when their aren't competing games on TV. You are playing against top calibler competition to test your talent.

But I'm sure sooner or later we will see somebody opt out of the playoffs.
Posted by Milf n Cookies
Texas
Member since Nov 2021
730 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 3:35 pm to
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It's a business. Players have every right to protect themselves.


When's the right time to quit? Is it after the regular season or as soon as you've been predicted to be drafted into the NFL? Should Bryce Young quit right now? How about Will Anderson?
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 3:37 pm
Posted by Sid E Walker
InsecureU ©
Member since Nov 2013
23887 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 3:39 pm to
Totally agree with Leach on this.
Posted by CedarChest
South of Mejico
Member since Jun 2020
2782 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 4:25 pm to
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it’s the damn amateur agents and hang ons that cause this stuff.
Yep, some "street agent" (pimp), from da 'hood,
Posted by Pig Lebowski
Venice
Member since May 2021
656 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 4:34 pm to
Sorry. I don't agree. Every player would do the same for a meaningless bowl. Playoff game, I could understand the sentiment.

Their livelihoods depend on their health. It's selfish to expect them to risk their future for something that doesn't really mean all that much.

There's also value in a high draft pick for the school.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Godawgs4
Member since Aug 2016
4280 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:12 pm to
Actually they need to rephrase the action to “I quit “

Ultimately it is the player’s decision and if they want to quit the team before the season is over that is their prerogative. Just man up and say “I quit the team” and be done with it.

I am the same age as Leach and our upbringing taught us that we did not quit a sports team that we were a part of regardless of the circumstances. You toughed it out. In this present day, players are just quitting because someone is whispering in their ear that they should.

Comparing players and coaches is a bit different. Coaches are subject to being fired in the middle of the season for just losing a game or for even not winning a game impressively enough.
I never seen a player dismissed in the middle of the season because the team lost a game.

But using the word “opt-out” is a sham to make themselves look better. So I hope to see term “I quit” used going forward.

I also agree with his premise that too many players leave college early. Yes a few are ready but many more cost themselves potentially millions by leaving early and then going undrafted or drafted much lower than they hoped to be. Again it is their choice but I MO many of them get bogus information about their chances and don’t get a realistic evaluation.

I think about Bear Wilson who left State early and then was not drafted. Now he is dead. Had he stayed one more year in college he would have had the opportunity to be a high draft pick. Why you ask? He was mainly a basketball player in HS and had only been playing WR for three years in college. He was still growing and improving and his ceiling was unlimited. But he was not ready for the NFL when he left State a year early. He was given bad information.
And now he ended up being murdered a couple of years ago when he should have been having a nice NFL career.
Posted by Pig Lebowski
Venice
Member since May 2021
656 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:16 pm to
You weren't worth millions.

They've been doing this for some time only they've played... just sparingly. This isn't new. Might as well have them give another player a shot and not take the free trip.
Posted by PaulsBunions
Member since Oct 2021
4257 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:20 pm to
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I never seen a player dismissed in the middle of the season because the team lost a game.



Then youve never watched a down of the NFL. It happens weekly.
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:10 pm to
I'm perfectly fine with them sitting out if they are projected 1st round. That gives their replacement more snaps for the following season. They had to add another bowl game this year a team could get a bowl participation trophy. Some coaches have extra financial incentives to win their bowl game so of course they want the best players on the field.
Posted by fiercey
Boulder, CO
Member since Sep 2011
192 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:44 am to
As a fan, a coach, teammate-- I agree with him. As the player in question, I wouldn't want some fat sausage-fingers lineman falling on my ankle in the frickshit bowl and ending my career when I'm *that* close to the goal. All depends on perspective.
Posted by epicopt116
Member since Nov 2017
1905 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:56 am to
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I'm still surprise that Saban got 3-1st round picks to play in the Citrus Bowl win over Michigan a couple years ago.




$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ really?? you are still surpised??
Posted by Streelman
Southeast
Member since Dec 2020
1374 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:04 am to
My favorite part was he couldn’t remember if that one guy practiced. The pirate
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