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re: Mike Leach experiment

Posted on 9/26/21 at 9:55 pm to
Posted by Jcrew
Gulf coast
Member since Aug 2012
990 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 9:55 pm to
quote:

And until the 4th quarter, State did nothing the entire game



Also not entirely true. Fumbled the first possession driving in LSU territory. Threw a pick not much later on the LSU 10. State shot themselves in the foot quite often. Not saying State deserved to win because they surely did not. Until they learn to score once they get to the 20 this team is not much of a threat.

Posted by Shamoan
Member since Feb 2019
9134 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:00 pm to
I don’t expect any LSU fans to comprehend my point without getting upset. It’s a serious flaw with this fan base.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:02 pm to
I don't think it's just the 3-2-6.

It's linebackers that are faster and better at dropping back into coverage along with secondaries that are used to seeing 4 and 5 reciever sets.

Defenses that are built to fly around the field instead of fighting in the trenches.
Posted by Shamoan
Member since Feb 2019
9134 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:09 pm to
It doesn’t help we have a QB with a below average arm. Teams don’t respect his running ability or his ability to throw it past them accurately past 12 yards. It’s a significant flaw. It really compresses the field for the defense. It’s no big deal to give up a ton of yards to our offense because we are 1) gonna have a penalty 2) have a turnover based on volume of plays 3) compressed field when we get to the red zone 4) sp teams screwup.

Odds are, one of the above is going to happen 3/4 drives.
Posted by Bigbens42
Trussvegas
Member since Nov 2013
6336 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

Barry Odom killed Mike Leach's career in the SEC. It took 2 games and the league had the blueprint to beat him... And he will never change. Chizick said last year that he has run the exact same offense and plays for 20 years and everyone knows it.

The 3-2-6 defense with great D linemen is the kryponite to that offense.


There's been a blueprint for decades. Bo Pelini just somehow forgot about it last year.

Pelini last year: *blitzes on 3rd down again*

Me: "LOL what a moron."
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
American dissident
Member since Nov 2013
35743 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:11 pm to
and combo coverages like 2 on 2 matchup zones and 3 on 2 matchup zones


most fans still think they can recognize Ye Old straight man versus straight zone, and in reality they have no clue that they're seeing neither, but a hybrid instead


regardless, I've always been so sick of the media-fueled propaganda of how "fans want exciting offenses", and the OP makes a great point about the boring as hell check downs to five yard dinks and dunks with said "exciting offenses" - many times the younger generation has bought into all that, but I doubt there are many young Arkansas fans right now who'd say our 2021 old style run game is not exciting as hell

young and old, we all love it
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 10:15 pm
Posted by VeryReauxna_ish
Bossier City
Member since Dec 2020
1945 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 11:46 pm to
Harry Rex Vonner, even counting this year at 4-0 you're still averaging 7 losses a year over the last decade. You won't be excited much longer, trust me.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
8638 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 11:49 pm to
quote:

It’s not often we outplay LSU and lose,


How do you outplay a team that you never led for one second of the game and was down by three scores in the 4th lol?
Posted by Slackaveli
Fayetteville
Member since Jul 2017
15163 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 11:51 pm to
quote:

VeryReauxna_ish
Cry Less.

Arkansas will beat LSU by two scores + just like they have every other team all season.
Posted by megiddo
Member since May 2020
518 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 12:58 am to
You're uh, kind of forgetting that State had LSU punting the ball away and were it not for an incredibly stupid special teams penalty, they never would have been down 18 at all.

Double the 1st downs, 150 more total yards. Having almost double the rushing yards. 60% time of possession .Pretty clear that MSU just shot itself in the foot numerous times.
This post was edited on 9/27/21 at 1:02 am
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 1:18 am to
It's not even close to what his system is.

If you want to know what it is... go watch some of the games where his system is fully in. Your QB, Rb, RB, Wr x what 5 are either sophomores or freshmen. To me, Leach is ahead of schedule and that's due to him actually having the talent.


As it's been said here many times before, look at what he has done in the 1.2 years he been there. Hell, you can't even count year 1. The most dramatic shift in the SEC on offense and not an easy one on defense either. People think it's simplistic, but it's not.

So here is what you had prior to Leach.

- A program imploding from Mullen leaving skill positions bare. That's evident under Moorhead.

- Moorhead lost control of a team already imploding and yes... it was and is why Mullen left. Your own player put your starting QB out of the Bowl game and the HC did not do a thing about it.... let him play.

- Leach took over and what happens. All of the sudden, you have players capable of catching a football. You have a QB that is a TRUE FRESHMAN throwing it and completing it 70% of the time.

- Leach had to clean house. You know it, I know it.

- He took a depleted team made them play above their level. He lost 3 games playing TRUE FRESHMEN at QB, RB, and WR and lost 3 games in the SEC by only 7.... 2 of those games he only had 44ish players.


Leach has always seen the rush 3 and drop 8. Nothing new. The SEC didn't magically invent it. His system beats that 2 when people do their jobs. The issue here is that you have new people on the job and they are not experienced enough. Mainly your QB and your RBs.


- RBs not seeing the holes. So they don't hit them fast. When they do, it's explosive.

- The QB plays to not make mistakes. It's a great thought, but it hurts him in that he will not push it down field until late.

Those 2 things are simply lack of experience in the system and in the SEC.

Go back and double check everything above. On paper, you beat LSU and Memphis. When you understand why you didn't, you understand why your admin pick Leach.

That OL has come together. They are giving him a lot of time and at some point, the deep stuff .. he's going to see.



Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 1:23 am to
quote:

Air Raid was created to attack defenses built on stuffing the run, blitzing and man coverage.



......no it wasn't.


quote:

All the different spread offenses and RPO offenses have created a whole different defensive style that the Air Raid does not have advantages against.




Good lord. The air raid stretches you from sideline to sideline. From the LOS to the deep pass.

If it did not work, then MSU would not have no less than 2 receivers open on each play they run. Just because the inexperienced QB is not seeing them yet does not mean the SEC has somehow stopped the Air Raid.

quote:

Leach is too late to have success in the SEC...defenses have evolved too much.





Nope.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40851 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 1:25 am to
quote:

Leach first 2 seasons everywhere he has gone weren’t good.


I’m still looking forward to that vaunted 3rd season that Ben Howland has had everywhere else he coached.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 1:28 am to
quote:

Shamoan



How can a fan of a team not know the stats. Wow.


Until this game, the QB was 75% in deep passes.

Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
14091 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 1:29 am to
Our biggest problem is the quarterback. Rogers has no confidence and is scared, plays scared, can't see the field, or make the necessary throws all the time. Leach went too far hoping that he'd be Gardner Minshew II. He may have grown up with Minshew but they just aren't the same. Until a qb gets ready or transfers in this offense will never have a chance. It's poorly advertised in the hands of Will Rogers. Who should be playing at Delta St.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 1:34 am to
quote:

Rogers has no confidence and is scared, plays scared, can't see the field, or make the necessary throws all the time.


Nah. The Kid is extremely confident. He is just playing to not make mistakes. So he doesn't see the down field like he should.

Rogers threw 3 passes 40 deep vs Memphis. The only pass that was incomplete was be cause he over threw him by about 8 yards. It's a myth that he doesn't have the arm strength
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 1:42 am to
Here is a stat for you.

The team in the SEC that is leading in sacs is who? Yep LSU. How many sacks di the OL allow vs them?

1


Just 1.


More perspective... That's 1 sack in 62 passing plays. To the leading team in sacks.


That OL has only allowed 7 sacks all season. That's the exact same amount of sacks our OL has allowed on Young.


Know what the difference is? We have passed it 131 times. MSU has passed it 100 times more! 225.

Who's OL is protecting the QB better?


Posted by VeryReauxna_ish
Bossier City
Member since Dec 2020
1945 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 1:50 am to
LSU rushed 3 90% of the plays, and 4 the other 10%. Got the W. See ya next year.
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
14091 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 1:53 am to
quote:

Rogers threw 3 passes 40 deep vs Memphis. The only pass that was incomplete was be cause he over threw him by about 8 yards. It's a myth that he doesn't have the arm strength


The one for 41 yards to Calvin-l think, was the longest completion I've seen him make. He used all he had and the receiver was in the right spot and made a great play in double coverage.

He played scared most of the game Saturday, especially on those run attempts which were just pathetic. I look at him and see a G5 itinerant, or div II starter. I mean, I've heard he's a nice kid and it's a shame, but such is life. This league is for the big dogs.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 1:54 am to
Na.... You gonna see us this year and we are going to punish you!


We all know what Bama is going to do to that QB...
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