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Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:30 pm to piggidyphish
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Fair enough...but that means we get to say "deny" and "deflect" to anyone questioning this.
No, nonsense!!! Auburn is wrong, and that's final! Ha.
But yeah, that's only fair.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:31 pm to APIEE
Quoting myself from the Germans version of this thread.
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Interesting, though I have to wonder which Auburn fans who have scoffed at anonymous sources in other aspects of this story will bite on this one.
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:33 pm to AlaTiger
MacGregor has known about the tapes for a while, he was indicted in Oct. As part of discovery the prosecution has to give all its evidence over to the defense. Also the attorney who made this statement is a MASSIVE Bama fan and supporter, Espy. Trust me if they said it they are in the clear on this. Also as said the timelines do not match up but people seem to forget this little fact.
As far as Auburn, the attorneys and the NCAA Cam is eligible, this is as of last Thursday when they all had a nice sit down and talk with the NCAA.
I agree this story has been covered very poorly;
1. 2 former MSU players have talks with 2 MSU "recruiters" who Mullen has stated only coaches are recruiters at MSU, in a pay for play. THe funny thing is no one has mentioned the hot water MSU is in over this.
2. On multiple occasions Rogers and Bonds have said this had nothing to do with Auburn University, the other simply said he didn't know anything of Auburn's recruitment of Cam.
Yet with no connection between Auburn and Cam in a pay for play we have elaborate theories on how Auburn somehow is paying players in a method that if true would make James Bond's head spin.
As far as Auburn, the attorneys and the NCAA Cam is eligible, this is as of last Thursday when they all had a nice sit down and talk with the NCAA.
I agree this story has been covered very poorly;
1. 2 former MSU players have talks with 2 MSU "recruiters" who Mullen has stated only coaches are recruiters at MSU, in a pay for play. THe funny thing is no one has mentioned the hot water MSU is in over this.
2. On multiple occasions Rogers and Bonds have said this had nothing to do with Auburn University, the other simply said he didn't know anything of Auburn's recruitment of Cam.
Yet with no connection between Auburn and Cam in a pay for play we have elaborate theories on how Auburn somehow is paying players in a method that if true would make James Bond's head spin.
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Riiiight.
All of a sudden we know what's in the wiretaps regarding MacGregor?
But, we still haven't heard if Cam Newton is eligible or not? Auburn is saying "no comment," but suddenly we're hearing whether or not MacGregor was taped talking about Newton?
Seriously, guys. Think. The media in Alabama is bought and paid for. "Multiple sources"? Really? Then get those multiple sources to tell us what's really going on and stop with the propaganda.
This story has been covered as poorly as any major story I've ever seen. But, suddenly they know what's on the wiretaps and whether MacGregor is involved. Remember, MacGregor was buying judges and politicians. I don't believe a word of this until I know WHO the sources are and what they tie-in is.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:34 pm to ever43
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Yes, I don't think the media ever uses unnamed sources in stories like this.
Right, but in the stories which are pro-Auburn, the unnamed sources are legit, but when the stories implicate Auburn, the sources are invalid because they are unnamed.
At least according to NGT...
This post was edited on 11/18/10 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:35 pm to cyde
I need you to add RB and piggidyphish to our roster.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:35 pm to Bellabama
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I need you to add RB and piggidyphish to our roster.
Aye, ma'am.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:35 pm to rangers911
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As far as Auburn, the attorneys and the NCAA Cam is eligible, this is as of last Thursday when they all had a nice sit down and talk with the NCAA.
Nonfactual. Auburn has only said that he would play today.(That Saturday). They, nor the NCAA made any statements and Au has only repeated no comment since then.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:36 pm to cyde
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Right, but in the stories which are pro-Auburn, the unnamed sources are legit, but when the stories implicate Auburn, the sources are invalid because they are unnamed.
Deny, delfect.
Not too bad being on the other side of this. I see why we were accused of denying and deflecting.
But yea, it'd be a pretty bold move by any of us aubs to take this unnamed source as the gospel and deny the others...but for those who took the unnamed sources in other articles as fact, well can't have your cake and eat it too.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:37 pm to Alahunter
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Nonfactual. Auburn has only said that he would play today.(That Saturday). They, nor the NCAA made any statements and Au has only repeated no comment since then.
Auburn is under strict gag order on this. Auburn has stated the allegations against Newton are "garbage" and Newton is "eligible" to play at Auburn. The NCAA can make a recommendation to sit a player or inform the institution that there is a question regarding a players eligibility and Auburn has received nothing new from the NCAA that this might change.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:39 pm to Alahunter
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From the al.com Auburn beat writer, according to multiple unnamed sources.
If you're already indicted by the FBI and awaiting trial, you don't release a statement like that unless you are 100% sure.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:39 pm to rangers911
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THe funny thing is no one has mentioned the hot water MSU is in over this.
Possibly because it doesn't exist?
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:40 pm to rangers911
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Auburn has received nothing new from the NCAA that this might change.
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Auburn is under strict gag order on this
Contradict much? Auburn is under a gag order, but they've stated that Cam was cleared. Can't have it both ways. You, just like those posting against Auburn, are posting on wishful speculation.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:41 pm to APIEE
Whether he's tied to Cam spefically isn't the point. They suspect he might be part of a PFP scheme. I don't think the FBI believes that such a scheme would be limited to Cam Newton nor do they need to for AU to be in big trouble.
This is bigger than Cam now.
This is bigger than Cam now.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:41 pm to piggidyphish
If I remember reading somewhere that the tapes were to be sealed.
Just because the reporter says that Mcgregor was not recorded on wiretaps about cam newton does not mean that he is not connected still.
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Just because the reporter says that Mcgregor was not recorded on wiretaps about cam newton does not mean that he is not connected still.
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:41 pm to Alahunter
AU fans, y'all could really learn something from the bylaw blog's writeup of how LSU handled the Aikem Hicks situation. A few quotes for you...
Now contrast that with your mindset going into this. The boosters in control of your university have been found guilty of major violations in the past and those exact same ones are scream GFY to the NCAA. I wouldn't be defending that approach. No sweat off my brow if I am wrong. You're dead if you are.
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Second, Alleva either decided or supported the decision to withhold the student-athlete based solely on the inconsistencies in the story. It was not until later that the compliance office discovered the story was false. Too often compliance is burdened with having to show proof of a violation, not just suspicion.
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Either way, excellent work by LSU’s athletics administration and outside counsel. While the violation was not prevented, a combination of trusting your gut, accepting the relationship between “smoke” and “fire”, and detailed investigation brought the violations to light very quickly and prevented ineligible competition by the student-athlete. Well done, LSU.
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LSU’s 55-page violation report is a model of thorough investigation, due diligence, and a conservative attitude toward student-athlete eligibility.
Now contrast that with your mindset going into this. The boosters in control of your university have been found guilty of major violations in the past and those exact same ones are scream GFY to the NCAA. I wouldn't be defending that approach. No sweat off my brow if I am wrong. You're dead if you are.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:44 pm to piggidyphish
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Deny, delfect.
That would be a fair response, save for the fact that it is inapplicable.
I'm not denying the story, attempting to devalue the sources, or deflecting attention away from the story.
I'm attacking you, the fans.
Save the "deny, deflect" tack for if, for instance, I change the subject to talk about a different recruiting scandal or flat-out call this story a "fricking lie".
This post was edited on 11/18/10 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:48 pm to Morgus
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Whether he's tied to Cam spefically isn't the point. They suspect he might be part of a PFP scheme.
If "he" from your quote above is McGregor, the bold section below refutes that he had any part in a pay for play scheme whatsoever. All I'm saying is if you're going to go on trial under federal indictments by the FBI, you don't release that kind of statement unless it's absolute. You're better off saying "no comment" if there's something there.
From the article...
McGregor attorney Joe Espy issued a statement Wednesday that strongly denied any involvement by McGregor. "Contrary to postings on celebrity and sports blogs, Milton McGregor has never had any contact direct or indirect with Cam Newton,
Cecil Newton -- Cam's father -- (agent) Kenny Rogers or anyone purporting to represent Cam Newton,'' the statement said. "Mr. McGregor has never been asked to provide money for any recruitment or compensation of any current or perspective student athlete including Cam Newton at Auburn or any other school, and has never provided any type of compensation in that regard period no exceptions."
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:52 pm to kage
two sources were found clearing McGregor of wrong doing in the state of Alabama. I'm shocked.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:53 pm to kage
well. His attorney said he's innocent. I guess the Justice Dept can dismiss buying votes charges against him too, he said he was innocent of that also.
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