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re: Mary Lou Retton hospitalized

Posted on 10/11/23 at 5:35 pm to
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26028 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 5:35 pm to
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My friend who moved to the UK says he has received excellent healthcare there and people I know who moved to France said they received better healthcare there than here and it was on the government's dime.

Then why do they come here for cancer treatment and major procedures?

I'm sure it is a great experience in France getting the covid vaccine. That isn't what I am describing when I reference "quality".
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 5:39 pm to
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It is not communist health care

Actually it is

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she deserves coverage because she is a citizen

So she’s entitled to the labor of others? No, no actually she is not

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If Canada, Europe, and some Asian and Middle Eastern nations can figure it out

Every used any of these systems? I have. You pay significantly higher taxes, do not get the best and brightest to provide them, have unreasonable wait times(I broke my wrist in Kuwait around 15 years ago. I was working in country and used the local healthcare instead of the paperwork to use the military provider. My wrist healed incorrectly waiting for a follow up and I ended up having to to fly to Germany to have army medical re break it and set it correctly. I found out that months to get a follow up were common. After that I always made sure that medical was part of my contracts).

And military medical isn’t great either. If you want an example of what a US system might look like look at how the DoD handles medical. Between the VA that is a terrifying joke, on base medical that scars for life or outsourced low bid contract stuff they send folks to. And that’s after they lied about providing for retirees and spouses for life, changing it to tricare and raising the rates yearly while decreasing services.

No, go back to pre Obamacare days where you could buy and afford the coverage you wanted. I carried catastrophic care when not on contract and it did exactly what I needed.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 5:41 pm to
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Then why do they come here for cancer treatment and major procedures?


Because they don’t want to die waiting for service. A great means to keep costs down in European systems no one wants to discuss.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 5:42 pm to
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How can she not have insurance


Because she made a choice
Posted by ucbearcats
Member since Oct 2021
847 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 5:48 pm to
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Then why do they come here for cancer treatment and major procedures?
This is just propaganda used by the American Healthcare and pharmaceutical industries to scare people away from Medicare for all.

Why would Medicare for All stop a doctor from treating a person with cancer? They still receive payment for their work. The Pharmaceutical companies receive their payment. And why do many Americans go to Mexico for treatment?
Posted by ucbearcats
Member since Oct 2021
847 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 5:50 pm to
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So she’s entitled to the labor of others? No, no actually she is not
Wrong, she like the rest of us would pay into the program. A good citizen who is a patriotic American would be proud to help insure everyone.
Posted by Trumansfangs
Town & Country
Member since Sep 2018
7781 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 6:02 pm to
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Why is this topic on the rant? It does not belong here and just gave the political idiots a chance to turn it sideways and vent.



Yes, if only the op was aware of the Off Topic board !
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 6:08 pm to
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Wrong, she like the rest of us would pay into the program


So communism, or socialism before communism.

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A good citizen who is a patriotic American would be proud to help insure everyone


That’s a joke right? Ms Retton has the means to pay for her own medical coverage and has chosen not to. Why should that involve taking money from me to pay it for her?

Have ever dealt with the government before?
Posted by Csmims
A sandy beach in paradise
Member since Jan 2019
3155 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 6:09 pm to
Obama care more than doubled my family premiums. Pre Obamacare $180 a month for a family of 5. Obamacare instituted $400 a month for a family of 4
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 6:14 pm to
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Why would Medicare for All stop a doctor from treating a person with cancer?


Because the state de incentivizes the best and brightest from entering the field with capped earnings, creating shortages of qualified and quality physicians able to treat patients. This leads to extended wait times when early treatment options would save or improve quality of life?

You do know that right? The average Canadian oncologist takes homes around 110,000 a year(less than half their US counterparts).
Posted by ucbearcats
Member since Oct 2021
847 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 6:18 pm to
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That’s a joke right? Ms Retton has the means to pay for her own medical coverage and has chosen not to. Why should that involve taking money from me to pay it for her?
If the correct system had already been in place then you would not have to pay for hers or anyone's healthcare, she would have already paid into it herself.
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Have ever dealt with the government before?
Look at it this way, currently you have little say in your healthcare because private insurance companies can drop you from coverage any time they want. At least with Medicare for All, you would have a say in its policies.
Posted by Uatu
The Dark Side of the Moon
Member since May 2022
508 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 6:33 pm to
Spent 28 years in hospital administration. Private insurance always had its issues, but we made it work even with having to write off around 22% of unpaid charges. Two things changed. ObamaCare and the flood of illegals. You couldn’t pay me to go into the field today.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 6:33 pm to
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If the correct system had already been in place then you would not have to pay for hers or anyone's healthcare, she would have already paid into it herself.


We had that before Obamacare “fixed it”.

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Look at it this way, currently you have little say in your healthcare because private insurance companies can drop you from coverage any time they want. At least with Medicare for All, you would have a say in its policies.


This is a terrible troll.
Go back to pre Obamacare when we actually had options and could match care to what we needed.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 6:35 pm to
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Spent 28 years in hospital administration. Private insurance always had its issues, but we made it work even with having to write off around 22% of unpaid charges. Two things changed. ObamaCare and the flood of illegals. You couldn’t pay me to go into the field today.


Communist don’t understand that government never fixes issues.
Posted by ucbearcats
Member since Oct 2021
847 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 6:44 pm to
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This is a terrible troll
It is only a troll because it goes against your outdated way of thinking.

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Go back to pre Obamacare when we actually had options and could match care to what we needed.

Do you mean back to win over half the country was uninsured because they could not afford it?
Posted by Csmims
A sandy beach in paradise
Member since Jan 2019
3155 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 6:50 pm to
Insurance was MUCH cheaper and better before Obamacare
Posted by Themicah86
Member since Jun 2023
2565 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:05 pm to
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My friend who moved to the UK says he has received excellent healthcare there and people I know who moved to France said they received better healthcare there than here and it was on the government's dime.

America is so rich that it is a disgrace we have the system we have.


So why aren't people flooding the gates to get into those countries? We take more immigrants than those 2 countries combined each year. I would think if this is socialist bullshite health care is truly as good as you act those numbers would reflect it. Do you ever go to the DMV and think about how smoothly and efficiently its operated and want them to have a hand on more of your day to day life? I know I fricking don't.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:13 pm to
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It is only a troll because it goes against your outdated way of thinking.


This was the greatest country on the planet with my way of thinking, moderate Judeo-Christian self reliance.

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Do you mean back to win over half the country was uninsured because they could not afford it?

*when
And it was closer to 12%-15% that didn’t have insurance with less than 5% due to cost. Today it’s 8%-10% with cost being the primary factor. Today the average cost is ~7,000 a year per person vs ~2,000 a person before Obamacare.

It’s a losing proposition for the us consumer
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
17772 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:37 pm to


Progstains are the greatest...to mock.
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 7:39 pm
Posted by atwitsendAU
Shizuoka, Japan
Member since Jul 2023
1015 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:53 pm to
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My friend who moved to the UK says he has received excellent healthcare there and people I know who moved to France said they received better healthcare there than here and it was on the government's dime. America is so rich that it is a disgrace we have the system we have.


I've lived in Japan for 27 years. Excellent healthcare is amazingly accessible, SIMPLE, affordable. There is a national healthcare system for those who are not covered by an employer. 30% copay both ways. US healthcare is a fricking shameful disgrace. 'Murica.
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