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re: Makes me sick thinking of NC State kids
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:59 am to RaleighTiger
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:59 am to RaleighTiger
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The only kids I feel sorry for are the ones who are vaccinated. Their unvaccinated teammates let them down
Even though there are studies that prove it's bad for your heart at that age?
I'm vaccinated. My kids aren't. They won't be ever, unless and until it's 100% PROVEN to be safe for younger people. Heart issues, stroke, and blood clots are not insignificant side effects.
You may not like this, but it's still a free country. People can make their own informed decisions, and you don't get a say in it.
Unfortunately, your kind owns the media, so it's hard to get enough true information to make an informed decision.
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Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:03 am to Tigerman97
[quote]I provided the data for 18-22. 1/10 of 1% If the entire country is at 1.7% then that projects to like 3 million dead. That's why they are trying to take precautions.
That’s not how this works. You don’t use the entire population and extrapolate from there. The mortality rate is for those who actually GET INFECTED, which is a tiny fraction of the population. Jesus Tap Dancing Christ….
That’s not how this works. You don’t use the entire population and extrapolate from there. The mortality rate is for those who actually GET INFECTED, which is a tiny fraction of the population. Jesus Tap Dancing Christ….
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:04 am to TX Tiger
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I agree. This is America, we can't let a highly-contagious deadly worldwide pandemic stand in the way of making a profit, amirite?
Surely you mean the bragging and hypocrisy of the NCAA on shoulder to shoulder attendance the same day they eliminated NC State?
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:05 am to mtheob17
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I feel bad for the NC State team as well, but the NCAA has rules.
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LSU fan
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:06 am to Hogfan13
The very first thing that happened during all this is the numbers were deliberately wrong. After that what can you believe? There's a huge list of motives for too many powers.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:08 am to CleverUserName
quote:That and continuing on with the money flow as if nothing happened.
I agree. This is America, we can't let a highly-contagious deadly worldwide pandemic stand in the way of making a profit, amirite?
Surely you mean the bragging and hypocrisy of the NCAA on shoulder to shoulder attendance the same day they eliminated NC State?
Either you have an outbreak of a highly-contagious deadly virus, in which case should have shut down the entire tournament.
Or it's really not as big of a deal as "authorities" have tried to make it out as, and you continue on with the money-making tournament. In which case, NC State should have also been allowed to continue to participate in (minus any sick players).
It's one or the other.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 11:22 am
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:23 am to CajunTiger_225
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The very first thing that happened during all this is the numbers were deliberately wrong. After that what can you believe? There's a huge list of motives for too many powers.
Yes, I agree. Hence my not blaming people whatever choice they make on the vaccine.
I personally know a woman whose husband died in a motorcycle accident. When his death certificate came to her, the cause of death was listed as COVID-19. When she asked, they said they tested him (posthumously) and he had it, so that's what they were required to list as CoD. So, no, we still don't know the real story, and we never will.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:32 am to Rogelio
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We really lost all 100% of ours minds in 2020.
Speak fir yourself. I voted for Trump.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:33 am to Rogelio
NCAA told everyone the protocol, everyone knew it and every team could have gotten everyone vaccinated.
So, why was Texas (I heard that today) the only team to get all it's players get vaccinated?
1) ?Vaccine just came available to the teams at some point during the season. Some may have chosen not to get the vaccine mid-season because there are possible side effects. Their body may think it is sick and kick it's immune system into overdrive which can shut them down for several days. This is a legit concern.
2) Personal choice for whatever reason. Personally, I think that is selfish as freak and just dumb but this is America and you have the freedom to be stupid. But, but, but the vaccine is dangerous. No it's not, they have been making vaccines like this for 50 years. But so and so died. People die all the time, during trials people died after a saline solution injection.
But many Vaccinated players tested positive:
1) They would have never been tested had the unvaccinated ones not tested positive. Vaccinated players were only tested after the other positive tests on their team. That has nothing to do with the situation for NC State.
2) Most athletes take the single does vaccine. It was trialed at only 70% effectiveness in preventing contracting Covid. It was deemed very effective in preventing severe symptoms and in limiting that person spreading it. So, it still saves lives. The two dose type vaccines were deemed 95% effective at preventing spread by comparison but that 2nd dose can send some people to bed for a few days with severe symptoms.
The part that still bothers me is not letting them play Saturday. Didn't they have about 20 players test negative that could have played giving them an almost full roster. I do not understand that part. I don't know all the protocols though.
People pissed at the NCAA or Vandy or anyone is just silly to me. I have had to quarantine for 7-10 days after an exposure. I figure most people that work at large companies have similar protocols in place. Every team knew the rules and chose the paths they chose.
This is a bad situation for NC State for sure. I just think getting pissed at the NCAA about it is wrong. They did their job. Sometimes you have to make unpopular decisions when you are in charge, it's the way it is.
So, why was Texas (I heard that today) the only team to get all it's players get vaccinated?
1) ?Vaccine just came available to the teams at some point during the season. Some may have chosen not to get the vaccine mid-season because there are possible side effects. Their body may think it is sick and kick it's immune system into overdrive which can shut them down for several days. This is a legit concern.
2) Personal choice for whatever reason. Personally, I think that is selfish as freak and just dumb but this is America and you have the freedom to be stupid. But, but, but the vaccine is dangerous. No it's not, they have been making vaccines like this for 50 years. But so and so died. People die all the time, during trials people died after a saline solution injection.
But many Vaccinated players tested positive:
1) They would have never been tested had the unvaccinated ones not tested positive. Vaccinated players were only tested after the other positive tests on their team. That has nothing to do with the situation for NC State.
2) Most athletes take the single does vaccine. It was trialed at only 70% effectiveness in preventing contracting Covid. It was deemed very effective in preventing severe symptoms and in limiting that person spreading it. So, it still saves lives. The two dose type vaccines were deemed 95% effective at preventing spread by comparison but that 2nd dose can send some people to bed for a few days with severe symptoms.
The part that still bothers me is not letting them play Saturday. Didn't they have about 20 players test negative that could have played giving them an almost full roster. I do not understand that part. I don't know all the protocols though.
People pissed at the NCAA or Vandy or anyone is just silly to me. I have had to quarantine for 7-10 days after an exposure. I figure most people that work at large companies have similar protocols in place. Every team knew the rules and chose the paths they chose.
This is a bad situation for NC State for sure. I just think getting pissed at the NCAA about it is wrong. They did their job. Sometimes you have to make unpopular decisions when you are in charge, it's the way it is.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:33 am to BQAG02
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Speak fir yourself. I voted for Trump.
Trump took the vaccine. You?
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:42 am to Me
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Vandy fan
Is he?
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:45 am to HotRock
Yep
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:47 am to TX Tiger
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That and continuing on with the money flow as if nothing happened.
Either you have an outbreak of a highly-contagious deadly virus, in which case should have shut down the entire tournament.
Or it's really not as big of a deal as "authorities" have tried to make it out as, and you continue on with the money-making tournament. In which case, NC State should have also been allowed to continue to participate in (minus any sick players).
It's one or the other.
You have to consider the position of the NCAA. They have liabilities and litigation is a real thing. My company is huge and we still have protocols that keep people separated, contact tracing and they will absolutely not let you work if were either exposed or tested positive. They will keep that in place as long as the CDC says they don't have to in order to limit liability.
The NCAA found a way to let the teams play by putting some protocols in place as best they knew how. All the teams agreed to them. Who you mad at? Lawyers? CDC? Chinese? Whoever it is, it should not be the NCAA because they just enforce what everyone agreed to do. They just did their job.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:47 am to HotRock
quote:That's the point. Those protocols weren't followed. NOBODY from the other teams were quarantined. Not for a single minute. If the NCAA truly had the health and safety of the student/athletes as a priority, the tournament would have been halted until everyone cleared quarantine (which includes testing).
People pissed at the NCAA or Vandy or anyone is just silly to me. I have had to quarantine for 7-10 days after an exposure. I figure most people that work at large companies have similar protocols in place. Every team knew the rules and chose the paths they chose.
But that didn't happen. The NCAA instead, carried on with the tournament as if nothing happened. Why? Because there was big money at stake and they weren't going to allow some kid's life stand in the way of it.
quote:If their job is to keep the money flowing no matter what, then yes I agree.
I just think getting pissed at the NCAA about it is wrong. They did their job.
If their job is the well-being of the student-athletes then they failed miserably to the point of possible litigation. What would happen if a player from one of the other teams catches the virus from NC State's outbreak and God-forbid loses his life? Would his parents have a case?
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:59 am to TX Tiger
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That's the point. Those protocols weren't followed. NOBODY from the other teams were quarantined. Not for a single minute. If the NCAA truly had the health and safety of the student/athletes as a priority, the tournament would have been halted until everyone cleared quarantine (which includes testing).
But that didn't happen. The NCAA instead, carried on with the tournament as if nothing happened. Why? Because there was big money at stake and they weren't going to allow some kid's life stand in the way of it.
How do you know any Vandy players were exposed? They were outside the whole time rarely within six feet and certainly not for more 15 minutes. None of what I see in a ball game between teams seems like it would be considered an exposure. Even when batting, I don't even think that could be deemed an exposure. I guess it's possible but I don't know about a specific instance.
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If their job is to keep the money flowing no matter what, then yes I agree.
If their job is the well-being of the student-athletes then they failed miserably to the point of possible litigation. What would happen if a player from one of the other teams catches the virus from NC State's outbreak and God-forbid loses his life? Would his parents have a case?
I guess you didn't want the CWS to happen. I do. The NCAA put in place some protocols, everyone agreed and now that one of the teams failed to comply to those protocols it shouldn't mean the rest can't play.
I am pissed now that Miss State has to face fresher pitching in the championship series but that is more frustration than anger at anyone.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:09 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Vandy fan
Is he?
Nope, just old enough to have learned there are more sides to a story and that you have to play by the rules given. NCAA protocols were the rules and they knew them.
NCAA had to limit liability or cancel the season or face numerous lawsuits. Everyone wanted the season to play. So, they put in place some protocols. You can argue them all you want but that is what was in place and everyone agreed to them.
I will say I felt like NC State should have had enough players to play Saturday if they had negative testing but I don't know all the protocols that were agreed upon. Contact tracing may be it and the NCAA could not have overrule the CDC if they wanted to limit liability.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:11 pm to RaleighTiger
May you receive more empathy in your life than you show
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:25 pm to HotRock
quote:If they couldn't spread the virus, why was there a need for protocol? Why was there a rule in place for vaccination?
How do you know any Vandy players were exposed? They were outside the whole time rarely within six feet and certainly not for more 15 minutes.
quote:Not if it means submitting to those of power who continue to use COVID as a control mechanism over us. I watched every minute of the CWS to that point. Now I refuse to watch another minute of it. I've had it with this COVID bullshite and how it's been used as a political force.
I guess you didn't want the CWS to happen.
quote:For the last time, if the protocols were necessary, then the NCAA should have shut down the tournament until it could be determined that any possible exposure didn't result in anyone actually catching the virus. They didn't do that, which goes back to the question of then why did they inact protocols in the first place?
The NCAA put in place some protocols, everyone agreed and now that one of the teams failed to comply to those protocols it shouldn't mean the rest can't play.
Obviously it was just for show.
I'm not mad at the NCAA. They're just a pawn in this political shite show.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:31 pm to HotRock
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No it's not, they have been making vaccines like this for 50 years.
No they havent. Vaccines take years to develop. They didnt reinvent the wheel in 8 months.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:32 pm to HotRock
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How do you know any Vandy players were exposed? They were outside the whole time rarely within six feet and certainly not for more 15 minutes. None of what I see in a ball game between teams seems like it would be considered an exposure. Even when batting, I don't even think that could be deemed an exposure. I guess it's possible but I don't know about a specific instance.
So what is the big deal with having an asymptomatic player on the field?
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