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Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:20 am to CFBFAN1121
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But by no means am I comparing PM to JC overall.
Is there a gump qb in the modern NFL we can compare him too that has started a single season?
Nothing comes to mind in the past 10, 20, 30 years.
This post was edited on 4/25/10 at 11:21 am
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:21 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:Hey, that's fine. I really hope Jason has some success in the NFL. He seems like a good enough guy. But the OP trying argue that JC is a good NFL quarterback by comparing him to Peyton Manning based on this one stat is ridiculous.
No, but he will probably tell his grandkids how he was an NFL starter for several years and they will probably be proud of that and happy with the millions he earned in the league, some of which may make it to them eventually.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:22 am to CFBFAN1121
quote:So he threw where no one could catch it.
JC went a tme period in which he attempted a team record of 271 passes without an INT
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:22 am to tuck
I didn't take this as saying he is as good as PM. Nobody is that stupid. He is just saying he is comparable to PM on this stat.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:22 am to tuck
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Is he a successful quarterback? Does he win a lot of games? Has he been to the Superbowl? Has he won a Superbowl? The answer to all of those questions is No. Yeah, I'd say it's worthless. That stat has in no way, shape or form helped him or his team win games. It's as simple as that.
The time period in which he threw those consecutive passes, the skins were 6-1, so yeah I'd think not throwing picks help them win games.
It's funny how when people compare individual players, some dummy wants to bring up Super Bowl rings. Winning championships is a TEAM accomplishment and has nothing to do with individual comparisons.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:26 am to tuck
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Hey, that's fine. I really hope Jason has some success in the NFL. He seems like a good enough guy. But the OP trying argue that JC is a good NFL quarterback by comparing him to Peyton Manning based on this one stat is ridiculous.
Dude, the one and only thing i suggested is that it's a remarkable feat to throw 271 passes in the NFL without a pick. That's backed up by the fact that only one other person in NFL history can say they've threw more passes without a pick
I merely brought up PM b/c he's regarded as the best QB in the league, and he hasnt come close to pulling that off.
And you say it's a worthless stat which is crazy.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:28 am to auzach91
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He is just saying he is comparable to PM on this stat.
No he isn't. The reason Campbell doesn't throw many INTs is because he is scared to take chances, not because he is an accurate passer or safe with the ball. If you add in fumbles he is pretty close to even between TDs and turnovers.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:30 am to CFBFAN1121
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Dude, the one and only thing i suggested is that it's a remarkable feat to throw 271 passes in the NFL without a pick. That's backed up by the fact that only one other person in NFL history can say they've threw more passes without a pick
His completion rate sux too. Just tells me he can't put the ball anywhere close to anyone.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:30 am to auzach91
quote:I know that's what he's saying and I think it's ridiculous. In this stat, he's obviously far superior to PM. That fact in and of itself shows that the stat might have an overinflated sense of importance. I mean doesn't Brett Favre prove that the stat doesn't mean as much as you would think by himself? That guy throws INT's all the time, yet he is a great QB.
I didn't take this as saying he is as good as PM. Nobody is that stupid. He is just saying he is comparable to PM on this stat.
Right now JC is NOT a good NFL quarterback. Now maybe that was his O-line's fault, maybe not. Maybe it's the players around him, maybe not. You could really argue it either way and it would probably be partly true.
I think he has the potential to be a good quarterback, but he's only shown it flashes. He's not consistent at all and until he does, this whole discussion is silly.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:35 am to auzach91
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Exactly, JC has 38 INTs in his 5 year career, Peyton Manning threw 28 in one year. PM has had 2.8 % of his passes picked and JC 2.3 of his passes picked.
The Colts should go after this guy.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:35 am to CFBFAN1121
quote:I'm not surprised that none of these things matter to you...
It's funny how when people compare individual players, some dummy wants to bring up Super Bowl rings. Winning championships is a TEAM accomplishment and has nothing to do with individual comparisons.
Great individuals lead their team to those accomplishments and is probably the most important determining factor in whether one is considered "great" or not. You can argue til your blue in the face that only individual stats matter in comparisons, but the majority of the people out there don't give a shite about that. It's about whether they won or not. That's all that matters.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:37 am to auzach91
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I didn't take this as saying he is as good as PM. Nobody is that stupid. He is just saying he is comparable to PM.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:37 am to tuck
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Great individuals lead their team to those accomplishments and is probably the most important determining factor in whether one is considered "great" or not.
+1
Joe Namath - Great
Jason Campbell -
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:38 am to Robot Santa
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No he isn't. The reason Campbell doesn't throw many INTs is because he is scared to take chances, not because he is an accurate passer or safe with the ball
So, were you watching the Skins' games during this streak to come to this conclusion, or did you just come up with something in your head to discredit the record?
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:38 am to tuck
So uhm, is there any quarterbacks from Bama starting in the NFL?
No?
You don't say..
And btw, the deadskins suck.
Campbell was put in a lose lose situation. It's not that hard to comprehend.
No?
You don't say..
And btw, the deadskins suck.
Campbell was put in a lose lose situation. It's not that hard to comprehend.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:41 am to tuck
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I'm not surprised that none of these things matter to you...
Great individuals lead their team to those accomplishments and is probably the most important determining factor in whether one is considered "great" or not. You can argue til your blue in the face that only individual stats matter in comparisons, but the majority of the people out there don't give a shite about that. It's about whether they won or not. That's all that matters.
Nobody said it didn't mattered, just said it's stupid to bring up team accomplishments when talking about individual accomplishments.
So what you're saying is that Trent Dilfer was a great QB but Dan Marino wasn't , right?
Dilfer has a super bowl, Marino doesn't.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:41 am to CFBFAN1121
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LOL, PM plays in scheme that is conducive to throwing TDs. JC doesnt.
so true.
now, i wonder why that is. why in the WORLD would they scheme an offense away from passing?
bottom line about this thread, an Auburn fan brought up a positive note about a previous auburn QB. bama fans are trying to explain to him why this stat means nothing... (because that's what Bama fans are SUPPOSED to do).. and then we got into another rivalry thread.
true bottom line? i hate auburn.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:42 am to Alahunter
quote:And the funny thing about that is that his stats in the NFL are pretty awful IIRC
Joe Namath - Great
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:43 am to m2pro
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i hate auburn fans outsmarting me.
First step is admitting it.
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