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re: Let’s Talk Officiating

Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:05 am to
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5931 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:05 am to
Greg Sankey gonna frick around with these dog shite crews and one of these ag school baws going to go postal and make an explosive so strong that Greg is the first commissioner to travel to space.
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6772 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:08 am to
Don’t act like I’m the one who needs to pull out the rulebook. You said Young wasn’t defenseless there. Only after I educated you on that concept were you forced to concede that point.

I’m happy to answer how that hit meets the rest of the requirements for targeting; after you answer my question which you deflected on. I’ll post it again:


quote:

Even after Vols were gifted that game, Bama is on an unprecedented 16-1 win streak. How much worse do you think it will get for UTk? 20 wins with one asterisk loss? 30? 50?

Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32928 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:10 am to
Be thankful you didn’t have the ACC screw crew like UGA did
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19303 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:13 am to
Former LSU coach L.Miles speaking at a booster club in the summer of his second year said that when he was head coach in the Big 12 he'd normally speak to the League office about officiating twice a year. Once in the summer to get briefed on any new rules; at the end of the season to get the League's review of the past season. In the SEC he found himself calling the League office to complain about calls every week, and not over minor stuff. "Major blown calls". He said he had never seen such League-wide bad officiating. If anything, it's gotten worse.
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
4427 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:14 am to
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Don’t act like I’m the one who needs to pull out the rulebook. You said Young wasn’t defenseless there.


I just said young was defenseless in the link you posted

How stupid are you? You realize that hitting a defenseless player isn’t automatically a penalty, right?

When I referenced young not being defenseless it was regarding different plays Bama posters have complained about. I had no idea what play you were thinking of - you hadn’t even linked to it yet hell, I even asked you to link to what you were thinking of

This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 10:15 am
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6772 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:17 am to
Stop deflecting. Answer my question and I’ll further educate you on targeting (as I had to do earlier when I taught you QB’s who just threw a pass are defenseless).
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
4427 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:21 am to
You claimed UT got away with a targeting penalty against Young and linked to a legal hit and now can’t explain why you think it’s a penalty

And you think I’m deflecting

Did you finally Google the rule?
Posted by Parrish_Dawg
Enemy Territory
Member since Dec 2018
789 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:21 am to
Outside of money, is there a reason conferences couldn't make officiating a full time job? These TV deals are in the billions of dollars now...you would think they could deploy a very small amount of that to employing officials. It's crazy to think a sport that commands so much revenue leaves game-changing decisions in the hands of part time workers.
Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
3150 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:27 am to
The player who grabbed Aubies face mask was the one who was pushed in the back. He already had an arm out so perhaps the push in the back caused the face mask. Ref couldn’t have seen this in real time obviously. The penalties should have offset. It didn’t decide the game, either way.
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6772 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:34 am to
Still deflecting from my original question. Just answer my question man, and I will provide a detailed explanation on why that was clearly targeting. I already gave you a courtesy education on the concept of a defenseless player, but the rest won’t be free.

I’ll ask again, how much worse, in your best guess, will this 16-1* streak get? 20 Bama wins with 1* loss? 30? 50?
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
4427 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:42 am to
quote:

I’ll ask again, how much worse, in your best guess, will this 16-1* streak get? 20 Bama wins with 1* loss? 30? 50?


UT wins next year. Series probably splits till Nicky retires, then it’s back to irrelevance for a couple decades for Bama

quote:

will provide a detailed explanation on why that was clearly targeting.
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
8906 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:55 am to
quote:

egregious no call on that face mask.


Clearly this should have been called and it is inexcusable they missed it, but I honestly think that no-call helped Auburn more than it hurt them. It most definitely woke the crowd up at a time when it looked like Bama was about to roll to a dominating win, and that renewed energy seemed to flow into the team. Throw in the holding call that brought back a TD and forced a punt on our next series with the ball, and it was game on from that point.
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6772 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 10:55 am to
Response coming right up, almost free
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260799 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Jason Autrey and his crew needs to be removed from officiating SEC games.


Alabama fans talking about bad officiating..
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
12586 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:08 am to
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:20 am to
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GAFF
You would make a great LSU fan.

Congrats.
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6772 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:23 am to
quote:

UT wins next year. Series probably splits till Nicky retires


I knew you weren't a serious person, but



Go to 17 second mark on that video. UT player clearly leads with the crown of his helmet and hits Young right in the facemask a step or two after he releases. You can clearly see his head snap back from the initial contact on the facemask.


Only one indicator of targeting is needed here, but two are met:

(3) Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
(4) Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet



Here's how this discussion between you and me would go if I was interested in further interacting with your unhinged arse. You will likely dispute that UTK player initiated with the crown. I would then educate you that the crown is the "portion of the helmet above the level of the top of the facemask," and clearly that's where contact was made here after he cleary lowers his head right before initiating contact. I would point out again that, nevertheless, the crown issue is a side argument, that all we need is #3 to call this targeting and only a lunatic would argue we don't have that here. We could argue for hours over where the force of the hit was absorbed, but because you are unhinged and incapable of acknowledging reality due to your debilitating confirmation bias, you will never admit the indisputable truth that the UTk player made 'forcible contact at the head or neck area' of Bryce. At this point I would point out that if you interviewed a thousand people who are rules experts or just watch college football and are not insane like you, it is my strong opinion that a vast majority agrees #3 is indisputable and #4 was probably also met. You would likely argue that the percentages were lower, but you would agree that some people would likely agree that "forcible contact at the head or neck area." At that point I would point out this part from the intro paragraph targeting: "When in question, it is a foul." Discussion over. You lost. You are unhinged and incapable of rationally discussing this topic, which was clear to me from the beginning.

ETA the video again, here:

LINK
This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 11:37 am
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
8161 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:31 am to
quote:

For the LSU fans, Autrey’s crew also officiated the flag fest LSU/Missouri game earlier this season.



THIS. frick those guys. While watching the game, you just had this helpless feeling no one was in control and it was a roll of the dice of what would happen next when a flag was thrown/not thrown. I would bet Missouri fans felt the same way.
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
4427 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:39 am to
quote:

Go to 17 second mark on that video. UT player clearly leads with the crown of his helmet and hits Young right in the facemask a step or two after he releases


The crown of the helmet is the top of the helmet, not the face mask and portion of the helmet right above the face mask, which is the part of the defender’s helmet that makes contact. You honestly don’t know what the crown of the helmet is???

Young is defenseless in that clip so what you posted might be targeting. What you’re not considering is that the defender begins to raise his left arm before making contact and then the actual hit is obscured by other players. If the defender initialized contact with his helmet to young’s helmet that’s targeting. If he initializes contact with his left arm/hand, it’s not targeting. And the clip you provided doesn’t show definitively which happened first. What you posted could be targeting, we simply can’t draw that conclusion from what you linked.

I’m not shocked that someone who does not know what the crown of the helmet is doesn’t understand the targeting rule
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4701 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:41 am to
How precious. bama fan complaining about the officials.
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