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Let's have a discussion about cheating
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:22 pm
Piggybacking off a conversation I heard on the radio this morning.
I think we can all concede that every team in the conference (and maybe all of college football) probably cheats to some degree. Some are better at it than others, and some go really big.
If everyone is doing it, is this really a problem? Is there an imaginary, gentleman's agreement line where it's seen as okay, but beyond that it becomes a problem?
NLI aside, should we advocate for opening it up and letting the market dictate what these players can get from outside boosters? If they're already doing this, what would be different, except having it out in the open, without fear of punishment?
Or, if we truly did away with impermissible benefits, would the rich just get richer?
I honestly struggle with this and can see both sides of the argument. I love the amateurism of college sports, but I do wonder if that is really just a pipe dream.
Maybe we should just give up the charade and let these guys earn what they're worth, if the value of an athletic scholarship and the associated benefits aren't enough in 2021.
To be clear, I'm not talking about schools paying players - I'm referring to these kids receiving money from outside sources while attending school and playing football, basically as an added "scholarship" from a third party, like other academic students can receive.
I think we can all concede that every team in the conference (and maybe all of college football) probably cheats to some degree. Some are better at it than others, and some go really big.
If everyone is doing it, is this really a problem? Is there an imaginary, gentleman's agreement line where it's seen as okay, but beyond that it becomes a problem?
NLI aside, should we advocate for opening it up and letting the market dictate what these players can get from outside boosters? If they're already doing this, what would be different, except having it out in the open, without fear of punishment?
Or, if we truly did away with impermissible benefits, would the rich just get richer?
I honestly struggle with this and can see both sides of the argument. I love the amateurism of college sports, but I do wonder if that is really just a pipe dream.
Maybe we should just give up the charade and let these guys earn what they're worth, if the value of an athletic scholarship and the associated benefits aren't enough in 2021.
To be clear, I'm not talking about schools paying players - I'm referring to these kids receiving money from outside sources while attending school and playing football, basically as an added "scholarship" from a third party, like other academic students can receive.
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Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:24 pm to paperwasp
You cannot get sloppy.. Otherwise you are OK. Church collection plates work well.. Also jobs for family members like house sitting in Mt. Brook, etc.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:25 pm to allin2010
Nameless, loaded ATM cards is the best way
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:28 pm to LanierSpots
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Nameless, loaded ATM cards is the best way
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:30 pm to paperwasp
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Maybe we should just give up the charade and let these guys earn what they're worth
If that is the case there is no point in college football being associated with the actual colleges. Just make a minor league for it. If universities weren't already largely a joke for education I'd say drop scholarships entirely and get back to making productive students.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:41 pm to paperwasp
Everybody serious about winning has some degree of cheating or rule bending going on. It isn’t as big of money as most people think about their hated rivals but also it isn’t as innocent as most people think about their beloved program. Also, you got to parse out the things from the NCAA that can generously be called “dumb bullshite” - contact rules, recruiting visit parameters w/r/t lodging, etc - and things that are just a reality of trying to force amateurism upon a multibillion dollar industry (so also “dumb bullshite” but much more systemic).
As for the clear elephant in the room:
I’d argue anyone trying to make the connection that Pruitt from Bama thus Saban does same thing are missing the mark. Every school in the SEC wants to have the NCAA skullfrick Alabama. If Alabama was as blatantly fricking up as Tennessee, Alabama would have 5 fewer national titles right now and probably on their third coach since Saban. Alabama’s either cheating bigger but smarter (frankly unsustainable without getting caught) or just cheating as much as everyone else and nobody wants to take a Mexican standoff and turn it into a shootout.
As for the clear elephant in the room:
I’d argue anyone trying to make the connection that Pruitt from Bama thus Saban does same thing are missing the mark. Every school in the SEC wants to have the NCAA skullfrick Alabama. If Alabama was as blatantly fricking up as Tennessee, Alabama would have 5 fewer national titles right now and probably on their third coach since Saban. Alabama’s either cheating bigger but smarter (frankly unsustainable without getting caught) or just cheating as much as everyone else and nobody wants to take a Mexican standoff and turn it into a shootout.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:43 pm to paperwasp
I can't say I can think of a time an SEC school was cheating. Don't think its ever happened before.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:45 pm to paperwasp
I just laugh that UT is stuck some where between wanting to be completely clean yet think they need to compete for championships.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:47 pm to AUCE05
Phil Fulmer is old school 80s/90s SEC. He doesn’t want a clean program and mostly avoided NCAA harm in his career by dropping dimes on everyone else around him to the NCAA.
They just got caught in a big way because the player did not commit to them and they had to come clean because the smoke around it was getting out or already got out.
They just got caught in a big way because the player did not commit to them and they had to come clean because the smoke around it was getting out or already got out.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:51 pm to LouisvilleKat
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I can't say I can think of a time an SEC school was cheating. Don't think its ever happened before.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:51 pm to paperwasp
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Let's have a discussion about Alabama
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:53 pm to Drooley
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Let's have a discussion about Alabama
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:54 pm to LanierSpots
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Nameless, loaded ATM cards is the best way
Slot machines
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:56 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Also, you got to parse out the things from the NCAA that can generously be called “dumb bullshite” - contact rules, recruiting visit parameters w/r/t lodging, etc - and things that are just a reality of trying to force amateurism upon a multibillion dollar industry.
Good point. There's obviously a trickle down of ancillary items to consider that aren't even related to straight-up cash.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:57 pm to paperwasp
Step 1, buy a Dodge dealership...
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:58 pm to jvilletiger25
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Step 1, buy a Dodge dealership...
Keep it down home, cuz.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:01 pm to paperwasp
There are other ways of cheating that will land you in trouble besides handing out cash and Chargers.
Yolanda Kumar is in my wife's bookclub.
Yolanda Kumar is in my wife's bookclub.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:04 pm to paperwasp
Whether or not your cheating is bad depends upon where you rank in terms of revenue for the NCAA/Conference.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:07 pm to TMRebel
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Whether or not your cheating is bad depends upon where you rank in terms of revenue for the NCAA/Conference.
Assuming that's correct, maybe that's what is ultimately at play here - does the NCAA fear that a reduction of amateurism will affect their bottom line?
Even if the funds in question came from outside sources?
Like maybe interest in the sport would decline?
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:09 pm to LanierSpots
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Nameless, loaded ATM cards is the best way
You mean this isn't okay?
The size of bag you get depends on how many stars you are.
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