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paperwasp
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Let's have a discussion about cheating
Piggybacking off a conversation I heard on the radio this morning.

I think we can all concede that every team in the conference (and maybe all of college football) probably cheats to some degree. Some are better at it than others, and some go really big.

If everyone is doing it, is this really a problem? Is there an imaginary, gentleman's agreement line where it's seen as okay, but beyond that it becomes a problem?

NLI aside, should we advocate for opening it up and letting the market dictate what these players can get from outside boosters? If they're already doing this, what would be different, except having it out in the open, without fear of punishment?

Or, if we truly did away with impermissible benefits, would the rich just get richer?

I honestly struggle with this and can see both sides of the argument. I love the amateurism of college sports, but I do wonder if that is really just a pipe dream.

Maybe we should just give up the charade and let these guys earn what they're worth, if the value of an athletic scholarship and the associated benefits aren't enough in 2021.

To be clear, I'm not talking about schools paying players - I'm referring to these kids receiving money from outside sources while attending school and playing football, basically as an added "scholarship" from a third party, like other academic students can receive.


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re: Let's have a discussion about cheating
You cannot get sloppy.. Otherwise you are OK. Church collection plates work well.. Also jobs for family members like house sitting in Mt. Brook, etc.


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Nameless, loaded ATM cards is the best way



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re: Let's have a discussion about cheating
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Maybe we should just give up the charade and let these guys earn what they're worth


If that is the case there is no point in college football being associated with the actual colleges. Just make a minor league for it. If universities weren't already largely a joke for education I'd say drop scholarships entirely and get back to making productive students.


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Diego Ricardo
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re: Let's have a discussion about cheating
Everybody serious about winning has some degree of cheating or rule bending going on. It isn’t as big of money as most people think about their hated rivals but also it isn’t as innocent as most people think about their beloved program. Also, you got to parse out the things from the NCAA that can generously be called “dumb bullshite” - contact rules, recruiting visit parameters w/r/t lodging, etc - and things that are just a reality of trying to force amateurism upon a multibillion dollar industry (so also “dumb bullshite” but much more systemic).

As for the clear elephant in the room:

I’d argue anyone trying to make the connection that Pruitt from Bama thus Saban does same thing are missing the mark. Every school in the SEC wants to have the NCAA skullfrick Alabama. If Alabama was as blatantly fricking up as Tennessee, Alabama would have 5 fewer national titles right now and probably on their third coach since Saban. Alabama’s either cheating bigger but smarter (frankly unsustainable without getting caught) or just cheating as much as everyone else and nobody wants to take a Mexican standoff and turn it into a shootout.
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re: Let's have a discussion about cheating
I can't say I can think of a time an SEC school was cheating. Don't think its ever happened before.
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re: Let's have a discussion about cheating
I just laugh that UT is stuck some where between wanting to be completely clean yet think they need to compete for championships.


Diego Ricardo
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re: Let's have a discussion about cheating
Phil Fulmer is old school 80s/90s SEC. He doesn’t want a clean program and mostly avoided NCAA harm in his career by dropping dimes on everyone else around him to the NCAA.

They just got caught in a big way because the player did not commit to them and they had to come clean because the smoke around it was getting out or already got out.


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paperwasp
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I can't say I can think of a time an SEC school was cheating. Don't think its ever happened before.

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Let's have a discussion about Alabama





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Leto II
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Nameless, loaded ATM cards is the best way

Slot machines


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paperwasp
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Also, you got to parse out the things from the NCAA that can generously be called “dumb bullshite” - contact rules, recruiting visit parameters w/r/t lodging, etc - and things that are just a reality of trying to force amateurism upon a multibillion dollar industry.

Good point. There's obviously a trickle down of ancillary items to consider that aren't even related to straight-up cash.


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re: Let's have a discussion about cheating
Step 1, buy a Dodge dealership...


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Step 1, buy a Dodge dealership...


Keep it down home, cuz.


Trumansfangs
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re: Let's have a discussion about cheating
There are other ways of cheating that will land you in trouble besides handing out cash and Chargers.


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re: Let's have a discussion about cheating
Whether or not your cheating is bad depends upon where you rank in terms of revenue for the NCAA/Conference.


paperwasp
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Whether or not your cheating is bad depends upon where you rank in terms of revenue for the NCAA/Conference.

Assuming that's correct, maybe that's what is ultimately at play here - does the NCAA fear that a reduction of amateurism will affect their bottom line?

Even if the funds in question came from outside sources?

Like maybe interest in the sport would decline?


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Nameless, loaded ATM cards is the best way


You mean this isn't okay?
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