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re: Leach will go to the College Football Hall of Fame after all
Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:27 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:27 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
I hope Craig and son die of pussy cancer
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Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:29 pm to 3down10
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If Les Miles never goes to LSU, he's not in this discussion at all
If.saban never fails in the NFL, he doesn't end up at bama.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:25 pm to anc
Still wish we would have let Leach throw a midget, sorry ….little person, over the line in short yardage situations
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:27 pm to SouthernInsanity
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If.saban never fails in the NFL, he doesn't end up at bama.
He didn't fail in the NFL, he didn't like it.
It's the same reason he retired, they turned it into the NFL when it comes to players and their development.
At any rate, Saban showed he could build a program multiple times and I'm not sure what your point is.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:46 pm to anc
Good. The influence on the game isn't always about win percentage, especially for coaches that weren't at traditional football powerhouses. Leach revolutionized offenses in CFB.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:49 pm to 3down10
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I get that it's Oklahoma St so there should be some expected losses etc. But I think you are putting way too much into that. He had a slightly better record than the guy before him, but he was also OC for those teams.
If Les Miles never goes to LSU, he's not in this discussion at all. There is no way the man could build a program.
He built Oklahoma State and laid the foundation for Gundy, getting Oklahoma St to 3 straight bowl games before leaving for LSU.
Oklahoma State the 10 years before Miles took over as head coach (1 Bowl appearance):
Pat Jones:
1991 - 0-10-1 (0-6-1)
1992 - 4-6-1 (2-4-1)
1993 - 3-8 (0-7)
1994 - 3-7-1 (0-6-1)
Bob Simmons:
1995 - 4-8 (2-5)
1996 - 5-6 (2-6)
1997 - 8-4 (5-3) L in Alamo Bowl
1998 - 5-6 (3-5)
1999 - 5-6 (3-5)
2000 - 3-8 (1-7)
Les Miles:
2001 - 4-7 (2-6)
2002 - 8-5 (5-3) W in Houston Bowl
2003 - 9-4 (5-3) L in Cotton Bowl
2004 - 7-5 (4-4) L in Alamo Bowl
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his offenses at LSU weren't really that great and it was the defenses run by people he hired that shined due to talent.
His offenses were generally fine until he refused to adapt as the game evolved. Jarrett Lee freshman pick 6 season also broke Les, but that season doesn't happen if Ryan Perriloux doesn't get himself kicked off team.
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season in which he was very fortunate to have things fall his way. It wasn't because he created some dominate team or anything
Applies to the majority of national championship winning coaches.
This post was edited on 5/29/25 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:55 pm to anc
Having an overall win pct. of 59.5 when you coached at TT, WSU and MSu is impressive
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:57 pm to Shamoan
Considering what has happened to college football since 2021 i feel like real college football died the day that Leach died
Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:10 pm to John Casey
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He built Oklahoma State and laid the foundation for Gundy, getting Oklahoma St to 3 straight bowl games before leaving for LSU.
Oklahoma State the 10 years before Miles took over as head coach (1 Bowl appearance):
Pat Jones:
1991 - 0-10-1 (0-6-1)
1992 - 4-6-1 (2-4-1)
1993 - 3-8 (0-7)
1994 - 3-7-1 (0-6-1)
Bob Simmons:
1995 - 4-8 (2-5)
1996 - 5-6 (2-6)
1997 - 8-4 (5-3) L in Alamo Bowl
1998 - 5-6 (3-5)
1999 - 5-6 (3-5)
2000 - 3-8 (1-7)
Les Miles:
2001 - 4-7 (2-6)
2002 - 8-5 (5-3) W in Houston Bowl
2003 - 9-4 (5-3) L in Cotton Bowl
2004 - 7-5 (4-4) L in Alamo Bowl
Les Miles was the OC for the teams you think he built up from. And again, the best they ever did was 9-4 and a bowl loss.
What built up Oklahoma St was when T.Boone Pickens started donating large amounts of money to them in 2005, the same year Gundy was hired. It didn't have a thing to do with Les Miles, and it still took Gundy 6 years to do better than 9-4.
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His offenses were generally fine until he refused to adapt as the game evolved. Jarrett Lee freshman pick 6 season also broke Les, but that season doesn't happen if Ryan Perriloux doesn't get himself kicked off team.
So 3 years of his career at LSU? He is the only coach to ever get shut out in a BCSNCG.
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Applies to the majority of national championship winning coaches.
You gonna put Gene Chizik in it also? Or can we all recognize that was mostly a product of Cam Newton and Gus?
This post was edited on 5/29/25 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 5/29/25 at 5:06 pm to 3down10
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Les Miles was the OC for the teams you think he built up from.
Les was the Offensive Coordinator from 1995-1997 and they improved each year and probably why he was brought back as head coach in 2001.
1995 - 4-8 (2-5)
1996 - 5-6 (2-6)
1997 - 8-4 (5-3) L in Alamo Bowl
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He is the only coach to ever get shut out in a BCSNCG.
One game and it was because he was hard headed and refused to adapt from the gameplan that beat Bama the first time.
Again, Les's offensive woes were due to his failure to evolve late in his career. The Jamarcus/Flynn years were great, Mett years good to great, Lee/Jefferson years a roller coaster of bad to good, and Harris/Jennings just bad.
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You gonna put Gene Chizik in it also? Or can we all recognize that was mostly a product of Cam Newton and Gus?
Show me a year in which Les went 3-9 and winless in the SEC at LSU or where Chizik maintained a winning record for 14 years straight across two programs.
Les drove me crazy throughout his tenure at LSU and I was ready for him to be fired on more than one occasion, but his career is hall of fame worthy, IMO.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 5:17 pm to Bigbens42
He wasn’t the only one, maybe, but he wrote a good portion of the book on how lesser programs can compete with and beat bigger programs just by throwing everything including the kitchen sink at them on offense.
Spread them out. Throw the ball constantly, quickly. Go for it all the time.
Spread them out. Throw the ball constantly, quickly. Go for it all the time.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 5:32 pm to DalenSA
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Posted on 5/29/25 at 6:06 pm to 3down10
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He didn't fail in the NFL, he didn't like it.
Yeah........ sure. He bailed after one year, so maybe you're right, he didn't fail. But he sure the frick was a quitter then.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 6:50 pm to 3down10
When he was at wsu I used to watch late west coast games and always searched for his team playing and watched it. You never knew what was going to happen and it was fun to watch.
During our last coaching search I wanted him as the coach, he may not win it all but at least I’d be entertained.
He deserves recognition for his offensive contributions to the game. He has my vote.
During our last coaching search I wanted him as the coach, he may not win it all but at least I’d be entertained.
He deserves recognition for his offensive contributions to the game. He has my vote.
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