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re: Kirby Smart is officially a 1/3 of the way through Richt's tenor. When is a NC required?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:52 am to Dawgfanman
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:52 am to Dawgfanman
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He’s also got a reputation for never winning the “big game”,
So does Kirby
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:53 am to magildachunks
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So does Kirby
Yep. Which is why I found it odd this guy was holding up Mullen as an exemplary gsmeday coach while calling out Kirby for the same.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:58 am to TeddyWestside
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Now, RD Dawg, please put away your Kirby Smart hating straw man
Never said you "hated" but your very 1st post on this thread you pointed to every regular season loss and you called Mullen a superior game planner...which is debatable.
What were his big victories at MSU? Record against top 25 teams? If you go by any of those metrics I'd say he lost to teams with superior talent almost every time.
Not saying he's a bad coach at all but I don't think you can add 7 points to any game he's coaching because he's calling the shots.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:59 am to Dawgfanman
In 2010, he beat UGA and Florida in the same year, in only his second year following the disastrous Croom years. Not banner years for either school by any means, but teams with way more talent.
In 2014, he beat #8 LSU, #6 Texas A&M, and #2 Auburn... three games in a row.
In 2017, he beat a more-talented but poorly coached #12 LSU 37-7 before losing to Georgia 31-3 and Auburn 49-10, probably due to his lackluster recruiting and program building even by his ninth year, another point I made in my original post.
He did all of this at a school which couldn't even beat Maine before he arrived.
In 2014, he beat #8 LSU, #6 Texas A&M, and #2 Auburn... three games in a row.
In 2017, he beat a more-talented but poorly coached #12 LSU 37-7 before losing to Georgia 31-3 and Auburn 49-10, probably due to his lackluster recruiting and program building even by his ninth year, another point I made in my original post.
He did all of this at a school which couldn't even beat Maine before he arrived.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:02 pm to Smokeyone
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So Kirby inherited a solid roster of SO, RSSO, JR, and RSJRs but not SRs. Talent isn’t the issue at UGA it’s a cheap AD and the wrong mindset
Is that why you always predict doom and gloom for uga, every single year?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:12 pm to TeddyWestside
I agree with your points. I think what Mullen did at MSU gets downplayed by some (particularly some UGA fans who white knight for Kirby come hell or high water).
The barometer for me is who would I want coaching at LSU. Mullen or Kirby? It's close, but I give the nod to Mullen. He far exceeded expectations at MSU, and he gave LSU one hell of a game this season, probably our closest of the season.
Kirby, based on the resources at UGA, is largely doing what he's supposed to be doing.
Just my .02, but I agree with your points about Mullen.
The barometer for me is who would I want coaching at LSU. Mullen or Kirby? It's close, but I give the nod to Mullen. He far exceeded expectations at MSU, and he gave LSU one hell of a game this season, probably our closest of the season.
Kirby, based on the resources at UGA, is largely doing what he's supposed to be doing.
Just my .02, but I agree with your points about Mullen.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:19 pm to TeddyWestside
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but teams with way more talent.
Our talent level was iffy at best in '10
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2014, he beat #8 LSU, #6 Texas A&M, and #2 Auburn... three games in a row.
Do what?LSU and A&M both went 8-5 and weren't top 25 teams and Auburn ended up ranked 22nd.
He lost to every top 20 team he played INCLUDING the boat racing
by GT 49-33
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:20 pm to RD Dawg
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He's accomplished more in his first 4 years as a HC than than O and Saban combined in their 1st 4 years.
He also accomplished exactly the same as Mark Richt... and we see how that turned out.
I guess you guys should print those shirts and hang those banners.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:21 pm to ibldprplgld
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I agree with your points. I think what Mullen did at MSU gets downplayed by some (particularly some UGA fans who white knight for Kirby come hell or high water).
I hear you. But the flip side of the coin is LSU fans in general seem to overemphasize his time at MSU because he beat you twice (spare me the bs about Kirby not doing that). He was like 2-19 against top 25 teams in his time at MSU.
Mullen is somewhere in between what UGA fans and LSU fans think of him which is still a pretty dang good coach.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:23 pm to ibldprplgld
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Kirby, based on the resources at UGA, is largely doing what he's supposed to be doing.
Florida has those same level of resources.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:23 pm to TeddyWestside
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In 2014, he beat #8 LSU, #6 Texas A&M, and #2 Auburn... three games in a row.
And all three teams finished with 5 or more losses by the end of the year. Big fricking deal.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:24 pm to RD Dawg
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Do what?LSU and A&M both went 8-5 and weren't top 25 teams and Auburn ended up ranked 22nd.
Just imagine what Mullen would have done with the talent Malzahn, Miles, and Sumlin wasted that year.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:24 pm to YStar
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He also accomplished exactly the same as Mark Richt... and we see how that turned out.
Richt couldn't match the elevated work ethic of Saban and Urban. Do you really think that is going to be a problem for a young workaholic like Kirby?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:26 pm to Dawgfanman
Mullen's strength was making do with the talent he had at Miss State. All the shots they had at big wins were missed: 2015 Egg Bowl, 2017 Bama, etc. He lost to South Alabama in his eighth season there, SA had a FB program for about the same time
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:28 pm to TeddyWestside
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Just imagine what Mullen would have done with the talent Malzahn, Miles, and Sumlin wasted that year.
not lose to SOUTH alabama?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:32 pm to YStar
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He also accomplished exactly the same as Mark Richt... and we see how that turned out.
Wrong. Kirby has won more divisions,more top 5/10 finishes
and more NY6 bowl victories in his 1st 4 years.
But CMR turned pretty damn good from '01 to '07 and almost any program would take his record and conference championships in that time period.
ETA.CMR inherited a stellar senior class BTW...7 guys drafted and the '98 recruiting class was easily a top 5 class.
This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:34 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Well, we're certainly a bit more familiar with Mullen than UGA since we play both MSU and UF every year.
I think it'll be an easy comparison to make moving forward between Mullen and Kirby because they are both at comparable schools from a resource perspective.
I think it'll be an easy comparison to make moving forward between Mullen and Kirby because they are both at comparable schools from a resource perspective.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:36 pm to TeddyWestside
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In 2010, he beat UGA and Florida in the same year, in only his second year following the disastrous Croom years. Not banner years for either school by any means, but teams with way more talent.
A decent accomplishment. 2010 wasn’t just “not a banner year” it’s the worst UGA team in a quarter century.
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In 2014, he beat #8 LSU, #6 Texas A&M, and #2 Auburn... three games in a row.
Using rankings from the time of the game? Come on. None of those teams were top 10 teams.
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In 2017, he beat a more-talented but poorly coached #12 LSU 37-7 before losing to Georgia 31-3 and Auburn 49-10, probably due to his lackluster recruiting and program building even by his ninth year, another point I made in my original post.
Again with the day of game rankings...he was not just overwhelmed by UGA talent that day. Kirby clowned him from start to finish. How bout that call for the first UGA TD? Pretty good game planning and coaching..
Mullen is a solid coach, Kirby is also, both have their strengths. People never give credit for the good gameday decisions their own coaches make and always overstate that of their opponents.
Both coaches are going to feel increasing pressure to “get over the hump” but it’s helpful to keep in mind that Kirby already got over a few humps Mullen is still struggling with.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:36 pm to djsdawg
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Florida has those same level of resources.
And we'll see what Mullen can do there head to head against Smart. I'm not versed on the roster specifics, but it's my impression Mullen has needed to do more rebuilding at UF than Smart did at UGA.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:39 pm to magildachunks
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Kirby is never going to win a Natty.
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Kirby is not a sure winner when it comes to college playoff!
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you give Mullen UGA’s talent the last couple years, he wins a natty
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frick off! Mullen is a better coach
Good fricking God this thread is full of cancerous retards
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