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re: Killz is correct RE: Mizzou being snakebitten
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:37 am to WestCoastAg
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:37 am to WestCoastAg
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2004 red sox fans
Eventually worked out so they're disqualified
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cub fans
A worthy comparison, although they have won a championship at one point. 100 years ago > never
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Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:39 am to KCM0Tiger
GO AWAY THREAD
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:41 am to KCM0Tiger
not a single fan base was more snake bitten than the pre 2004 sox who also had their main rival be king of the world for a century. things have worked out now, but point being, what mizzou is going through doesnt come close to what the sox fans went through
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:53 am to genro
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Like fricking anyone is gonna read that
I did.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:34 am to KCM0Tiger
Everyone gets a pledge that is disappointing, but by senior year, they turn out alright.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 7:27 am to JDM1992
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At least South Carolina KNOWS they're South Carolina
By typing that are we to assume you mean when we came in 21 years ago we knew we had the biggest dicks in the conference and would eventually be taking over everything?
If so, then yes, you are correct.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 8:30 am to JDM1992
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You guys came in here acting like you were Kansas in basketball and Tennessee in football.
To be fair, they are pretty much Tennessee in football.
Unfortunately for them, they're the Lane Kiffin/Derek Dooley version and not the General Neyland one.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 8:40 am to KCM0Tiger
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---Mizzou basketball has: 0 final fours, 0 national championships
---Mizzou football has: 0 national titles, 0 outright conference titles in almost 50 years, 0 BCS appearances
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Mizzou has 2 national championships ever. Out of roughly 20 sports which have probably played a combined 2,000 seasons, Mizzou has won a national championship twice
That's what I've been trying to tell you!!
Posted on 1/22/13 at 10:02 am to sms151t
SMS,
I was starting business school the year MO State beat Mizzou.
Sorry Mizzou fans but I loved every moment of the MO State win. MO State's campus was rocking that night, the parties were plentiful, and I got super laid.
I was starting business school the year MO State beat Mizzou.
Sorry Mizzou fans but I loved every moment of the MO State win. MO State's campus was rocking that night, the parties were plentiful, and I got super laid.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 10:55 am to KCM0Tiger
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Mizzou has 2 national championships ever
Congratulations on the 2 nattys!
Posted on 1/22/13 at 10:59 am to KCM0Tiger
Mizzou isn't snakebit, they just fricking suck at everything. Having a decent season every decade or two and then pissing it away isn't "snakebit."
Posted on 1/22/13 at 11:00 am to mizzoukills
quote:Are you guys still together or did he move on?
and I got super laid.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 3:42 pm to Hog on the Hill
https://www.mrsec.com/2013/01/an-ncaa-show-cause-penalty-would-likely-lead-to-haiths-ouster-at-mizzou/
For the past week, we’ve been in a bit of an online debate with a few Missouri fans who took offense to our suggestion on the 17th that Frank Haith’s lawyer appeared to be “prepping Mizzou fans for bad news.” In their view, the NCAA can not punish the Tiger program for violations Haith may have committed while coaching at Miami.
Well, it’s true that the NCAA isn’t going to hit Missouri with charges over any Miami mistakes. However — and this is what those few holdouts still fail to grasp — MU can still be punished indirectly if the NCAA decides to go after Haith. A recent SEC example: Bruce Pearl and Tennessee.
...
Yesterday, CBSSports.com’s Jeff Goodman reported that a source “close to the situation” had revealed that Haith would soon receive notice from the NCAA that he would be charged with unethical conduct and a failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance. You know who else was hit with both of those charges? Yep, Pearl.
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The university (of Mizzou) put out its own statement:
“The University of Missouri is aware of today’s story from CBS Sports. The University has been in communication with the NCAA regarding their ongoing efforts related to the University of Miami investigation. Coach Haith and the University of Missouri continue to cooperate fully. However, we are not at liberty to comment further out of respect for the NCAA process.”
If Goodman’s source is corrrect and Haith is charged with unethical conduct and failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance, he’ll have 90 days to respond to the allegations. A hearing would follow in the summer and then a decision would come sometime between the fall and the end of the year.
Haith’s attorney, Michael Buckner, wasn’t exactly thrilled with Goodman’s report:
“Until my client, Frank Haith, receives a notice of allegations from the NCAA, the CBSSports.com report is premature. The NCAA’s investigation in the University of Miami enforcement case is ongoing…
It is unfortunate that CBSSports.com’s unnamed source believed violating the NCAA confidentiality rule was worthwhile. The report did not advance anyone’s interests (except the source’s) and is making a mockery of what is supposed to be a fair process.”
Buckner went on to say that “any allegations asserted by Nevin Shapiro against my client cannot be supported.”
NCAA spokesperson Stacey Osburn has said the NCAA does “not have a comment at this time.”
Armed with all that background info, there are still two major questions in need of answering…
What happens to Haith?
If history is any indication, there’s a good chance Haith will not be coaching Missouri this time next year.
If Goodman’s source is correct, the NCAA believes Haith gave investigators false information. Due to the NCAA’s lack of subpoena power, lying to its investigators is as big a sin in the eyes of the governing body as paying a player. For that reason, the misleading of investigators almost always results in a show-cause penalty… and show-cause penalties always result in dismissals for football and men’s basketball coaches. Head coach or assistant coach, winning coach or losing coach, a show-cause ban is the closest thing to an NCAA death sentence.
Most often, school administrators do not want a coach living under a show-cause cloud to tarnish the institution’s name. And in Haith’s case, a clause in his contract gives MU the right to fire him for “any behavior of the Employee that brings him into public disrepute, contempt, scandal or ridicule or any behavior that is unfavorable to the reputation or moral or ethical standards of the University.” Haith’s contract even covers “any violation which occurred during prior employment of the Employee at another NCAA member institution.”
If he’s hit with a show-cause penalty, it shouldn’t be too tough for Missouri to fire Haith for “cause” and escape without paying him one penny of buyout cash.
For those Tiger fans who would prefer Mizzou just ride things out with Haith, are you prepared to have Haith’s situation brought up during every single broadcast of an MU basketball game? Are you prepared for a national debate — played out from ESPN to your favorite local talk radio station — over whether or not Mizzou embarrassed itself by keeping an “unethical” coach on its payroll? Do you believe your school’s administrators and biggest boosters are prepared for that kind of negative publicity?
Tennessee’s boosters and administrators weren’t when it came to the highly-successful Pearl. Ohio State boosters and administrators weren’t when it came to their highly-successful football coach, Jim Tressel. The people charged with running an institution of higher learning typically don’t stand by a coach if his firing alone will snuff out wave after wave of bad press.
This, of course, all hinges on whether or not Goodman’s report is correct and whether or not Haith could convince the NCAA of his innocence during a hearing.
Now, there is one difference in this potential show-cause case and most others — Haith’s violations came at another school. A show-penalty essentially prevents a coach from committing violations at one school, getting that school in trouble, and then moving on to another school unscathed. If a coach is given a show-cause penalty, any school wanting to hire him would have to go before the NCAA and show cause for why that school should not be hit with penalties for hiring the coach in question.
In Haith’s case, he’s already been hired by Missouri. But for those thinking that’s a loophole, refer back to the previous paragraphs regarding the tarnishing of a school’s image. Quite simply, the stink created by just looking for a loophole — even if the coach is 43-9 like Haith — has been too great for all other major programs to ignore. And if Mizzou did fight to keep Haith — and Haith was not able to talk his way out of the NCAA doghouse — the Tiger program could still be penalized. Not for the issues in Miami, mind you, but for hiring and keeping someone hit with a show-cause penalty (for his issues in Miami).
This was an issue at Tennessee and at Ohio State. Once the NCAA dropped tough penalties on Pearl and Tressel rather than stiff penalties on their programs, fans of both schools wondered why their coaches couldn’t have survived considering how small the schools’ penalties turned out to be. But the schools’ decisions to fire both coaches led to lighter sentences for the schools. Had Tennessee and/or Ohio State kept their coaches, the schools likely would have been hit with much harder sanctions.
If the NCAA feels that Haith is a dirty coach and it wants to punish him for his deeds at Miami, it can punish him for those deeds while he’s at Missouri. For example, if Mizzou ignored the show-cause penalty and chose to keep him, there would be nothing to stop the NCAA from hitting Haith with a three-year recruiting ban. How do you think the Tiger basketball program would fare if its head coach couldn’t hit the road, scout AAU games, or even meet with recruits during their official visits to campus?
If Goodman’s source is correct and Haith can’t talk his way out of this, Missouri’s coach in 2013 probably won’t be walking the Tiger sideline in 2014.
What happens to Missouri?
con't in link above
These are troubled times for Missouri. And they look to get a little bit worse before they get better.
For the past week, we’ve been in a bit of an online debate with a few Missouri fans who took offense to our suggestion on the 17th that Frank Haith’s lawyer appeared to be “prepping Mizzou fans for bad news.” In their view, the NCAA can not punish the Tiger program for violations Haith may have committed while coaching at Miami.
Well, it’s true that the NCAA isn’t going to hit Missouri with charges over any Miami mistakes. However — and this is what those few holdouts still fail to grasp — MU can still be punished indirectly if the NCAA decides to go after Haith. A recent SEC example: Bruce Pearl and Tennessee.
...
Yesterday, CBSSports.com’s Jeff Goodman reported that a source “close to the situation” had revealed that Haith would soon receive notice from the NCAA that he would be charged with unethical conduct and a failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance. You know who else was hit with both of those charges? Yep, Pearl.
...
The university (of Mizzou) put out its own statement:
“The University of Missouri is aware of today’s story from CBS Sports. The University has been in communication with the NCAA regarding their ongoing efforts related to the University of Miami investigation. Coach Haith and the University of Missouri continue to cooperate fully. However, we are not at liberty to comment further out of respect for the NCAA process.”
If Goodman’s source is corrrect and Haith is charged with unethical conduct and failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance, he’ll have 90 days to respond to the allegations. A hearing would follow in the summer and then a decision would come sometime between the fall and the end of the year.
Haith’s attorney, Michael Buckner, wasn’t exactly thrilled with Goodman’s report:
“Until my client, Frank Haith, receives a notice of allegations from the NCAA, the CBSSports.com report is premature. The NCAA’s investigation in the University of Miami enforcement case is ongoing…
It is unfortunate that CBSSports.com’s unnamed source believed violating the NCAA confidentiality rule was worthwhile. The report did not advance anyone’s interests (except the source’s) and is making a mockery of what is supposed to be a fair process.”
Buckner went on to say that “any allegations asserted by Nevin Shapiro against my client cannot be supported.”
NCAA spokesperson Stacey Osburn has said the NCAA does “not have a comment at this time.”
Armed with all that background info, there are still two major questions in need of answering…
What happens to Haith?
If history is any indication, there’s a good chance Haith will not be coaching Missouri this time next year.
If Goodman’s source is correct, the NCAA believes Haith gave investigators false information. Due to the NCAA’s lack of subpoena power, lying to its investigators is as big a sin in the eyes of the governing body as paying a player. For that reason, the misleading of investigators almost always results in a show-cause penalty… and show-cause penalties always result in dismissals for football and men’s basketball coaches. Head coach or assistant coach, winning coach or losing coach, a show-cause ban is the closest thing to an NCAA death sentence.
Most often, school administrators do not want a coach living under a show-cause cloud to tarnish the institution’s name. And in Haith’s case, a clause in his contract gives MU the right to fire him for “any behavior of the Employee that brings him into public disrepute, contempt, scandal or ridicule or any behavior that is unfavorable to the reputation or moral or ethical standards of the University.” Haith’s contract even covers “any violation which occurred during prior employment of the Employee at another NCAA member institution.”
If he’s hit with a show-cause penalty, it shouldn’t be too tough for Missouri to fire Haith for “cause” and escape without paying him one penny of buyout cash.
For those Tiger fans who would prefer Mizzou just ride things out with Haith, are you prepared to have Haith’s situation brought up during every single broadcast of an MU basketball game? Are you prepared for a national debate — played out from ESPN to your favorite local talk radio station — over whether or not Mizzou embarrassed itself by keeping an “unethical” coach on its payroll? Do you believe your school’s administrators and biggest boosters are prepared for that kind of negative publicity?
Tennessee’s boosters and administrators weren’t when it came to the highly-successful Pearl. Ohio State boosters and administrators weren’t when it came to their highly-successful football coach, Jim Tressel. The people charged with running an institution of higher learning typically don’t stand by a coach if his firing alone will snuff out wave after wave of bad press.
This, of course, all hinges on whether or not Goodman’s report is correct and whether or not Haith could convince the NCAA of his innocence during a hearing.
Now, there is one difference in this potential show-cause case and most others — Haith’s violations came at another school. A show-penalty essentially prevents a coach from committing violations at one school, getting that school in trouble, and then moving on to another school unscathed. If a coach is given a show-cause penalty, any school wanting to hire him would have to go before the NCAA and show cause for why that school should not be hit with penalties for hiring the coach in question.
In Haith’s case, he’s already been hired by Missouri. But for those thinking that’s a loophole, refer back to the previous paragraphs regarding the tarnishing of a school’s image. Quite simply, the stink created by just looking for a loophole — even if the coach is 43-9 like Haith — has been too great for all other major programs to ignore. And if Mizzou did fight to keep Haith — and Haith was not able to talk his way out of the NCAA doghouse — the Tiger program could still be penalized. Not for the issues in Miami, mind you, but for hiring and keeping someone hit with a show-cause penalty (for his issues in Miami).
This was an issue at Tennessee and at Ohio State. Once the NCAA dropped tough penalties on Pearl and Tressel rather than stiff penalties on their programs, fans of both schools wondered why their coaches couldn’t have survived considering how small the schools’ penalties turned out to be. But the schools’ decisions to fire both coaches led to lighter sentences for the schools. Had Tennessee and/or Ohio State kept their coaches, the schools likely would have been hit with much harder sanctions.
If the NCAA feels that Haith is a dirty coach and it wants to punish him for his deeds at Miami, it can punish him for those deeds while he’s at Missouri. For example, if Mizzou ignored the show-cause penalty and chose to keep him, there would be nothing to stop the NCAA from hitting Haith with a three-year recruiting ban. How do you think the Tiger basketball program would fare if its head coach couldn’t hit the road, scout AAU games, or even meet with recruits during their official visits to campus?
If Goodman’s source is correct and Haith can’t talk his way out of this, Missouri’s coach in 2013 probably won’t be walking the Tiger sideline in 2014.
What happens to Missouri?
con't in link above
These are troubled times for Missouri. And they look to get a little bit worse before they get better.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 3:49 pm to scrooster
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scrooster
I admire you for your love of all things Mizzou. Mizzou will be fine. If the show cause comes down, Haith is gone and Fuller steps in and we still beat USCe by 20.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 3:56 pm to KCM0Tiger
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1995 Mizzou up by 1 in NCAA tourney vs UCLA with seconds left for the win? Lol nope: Tyus Edney drives the entire floor in a matter of seconds and lays the ball in as time expires for the W. UCLA goes on to win the national title.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:08 pm to boogiewoogie1978
We don't need no water let the mutherfricker burn!
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:08 pm to scrooster
I agree with your analysis, but find it troubling that NCAA can state there s no proof of wrong doing, but choose to disbelieve Haith's innocence. (If the anonymous source is correct.)
I think we have to wait and see what actually comes out of the investigation.
I think we have to wait and see what actually comes out of the investigation.
This post was edited on 1/22/13 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:15 pm to Bogie00
I going to have to share the OPs original post with my friends at Phog.net! 
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:29 pm to scrooster
My only question is how did calipari not get hit with a show cause, answer they would never want to hurt a blueblood like Kentucky.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 5:07 pm to KCM0Tiger
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5. 2007 Mizzou goes 11-1 to earn #1 ranking going into final week of season. National championship game? Lol nope: after defeating rival kansas to become #1 and earning a spot in the conference championships game, Mizzou gets beat by Oklahoma again in the Big 12 championship to dash title hopes.
I hope this got blasted many times in this thread. I hope none you fellow SEC ranters failed to mention how obvious it was that OU was about to murder a terrible #1 ranked team.
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