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re: Just eliminate the check swing please
Posted on 4/30/25 at 10:09 am to Rohan Gravy
Posted on 4/30/25 at 10:09 am to Rohan Gravy
The true solution is to automate it. The errors and variations in calls are the human factor. Check swings can be computerized along with perfectly accurate ball and strike calls.
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Posted on 4/30/25 at 10:44 am to Rohan Gravy
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There should be no do overs in legitimate sports
So... in your world a Pump Fake in basketball is now a turnover?
Play Action in football is an Illegal Procedure penalty?
Practice Swing in golf is a two stroke penalty?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:40 pm to Rohan Gravy
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eliminate the check swing
this still? get over it.
its been two seasons
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:22 pm to Rohan Gravy
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A balk should be eliminated if a check swing is legal
I didn’t mean to do it, no harm no foul!
A balk isn't a rule to protect the hitter, it is to protect the base runner. So comparing it to a check swing isn't really apples to apples.
If a pitcher stops mid wind up claiming "oops" base runners will be left out to dry.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:23 pm to Rohan Gravy
This is like the old joke about making the base paths shorter to eliminate close plays
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:00 pm to CrazyTigerFan
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A pump fake pass, play action, or a run pass option in football.
A flea flicker. A HB or WR pass. Faking a shot or pass in basketball. Taking a lead in baseball.
Apples and oranges
The batter gets a ball or a strike
A real example comparable to yours above would be a batter faking to swing and then bunting the ball
All of your examples are a continuation of a play in progress
None of them are do overs
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:02 pm to UBamaJelly
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A balk isn't a rule to protect the hitter, it is to protect the base runner. So comparing it to a check swing isn't really apples to apples.
If a pitcher stops mid wind up claiming "oops" base runners will be left out to dry.
Then the ump could simply send them back to their base and they are not out
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:05 pm to Vecchio Cane
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This is like the old joke about making the base paths shorter to eliminate close plays
Not really
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:14 pm to BenHOGan1
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So... in your world a Pump Fake in basketball is now a turnover? Play Action in football is an Illegal Procedure penalty? Practice Swing in golf is a two stroke penalty?
Again
This is apples and oranges
All of your examples do not result in a call and shouldn’t
A check swing results in a ball or a strike
The count doesn’t stay the same
Big difference
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:24 pm to Rohan Gravy
You do realize the “checked swing” is left up to the umpire’s discretion right?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:19 pm to Rohan Gravy
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A real example comparable to yours above would be a batter faking to swing and then bunting the ball
The other way around... a player squaring to bunt and then taking a huge hack at the last second is not only legal, but it's even got its own name... The "Butcher Boy." It's a great -and legal - way for a batter to draw in the corners and then try to dump a ball into the outfield.
The whole point is that the OP has a flawed and ridiculous problem with the current check-swing rule. What's wrong with the umpires (plate and corners) being able to discern whether the batter's actions constituted a swing as defined by the rules? Sure they get some wrong, but that's the way it goes.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 5:39 pm to Rohan Gravy
Damn sure screw about half of those calls up.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:08 am to BenHOGan1
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The other way around... a player squaring to bunt and then taking a huge hack at the last second is not only legal, but it's even got its own name... The "Butcher Boy." It's a great -and legal - way for a batter to draw in the corners and then try to dump a ball into the outfield.
And what is your point?
This has zero to do with a check swing
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:43 am to Rohan Gravy
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So how would you rule it then?
Anytime you make any movement it’s a swing?
Pretty much
Make so it’s obvious
Like you can only move a little bit.
Can a pitcher stop halfway and say I didn’t want to make that pitch?
So you've never played upper level baseball before. At upper levels you have to start swinging just as the pitcher is releasing the ball and stop yourself once you realize it's not a good pitch or the one you're looking for. Please stop posting and find a different sport to dissect. You clearly are off base (pun intended) on this one.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:03 am to Rohan Gravy
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A guy that’s two feet away is incapable of making the call
But a guy 90 feet away gets it right all of the time
Yea that makes sense
We've seen fb where somebody far away from the play calls something a person right there misses.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:39 am to Rohan Gravy
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Pretty much
Make so it’s obvious
Like you can only move a little bit.
Can a pitcher stop halfway and say I didn’t want to make that pitch?
Throw it at the batter's head every time. Look ump! The bat moved! Steeeeeeerike!
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:46 am to chimneylooker
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So you've never played upper level baseball before.
Ohhhh says the hall of famer!!!
That is the silliest argument ever
Nobody who hasn’t played “upper level” sports can comment or have an opinion on that sport?
You certainly don’t have upper level intellect
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:28 am to Rohan Gravy
umps can't pick that up 90 feet from home plate
you have replay technology, use it
you have replay technology, use it
Posted on 5/1/25 at 11:42 am to Rohan Gravy
How about we just eliminate the pitcher and place the ball on a tee. Voila! No check swings and no balks.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 11:46 am to nicholastiger
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umps can't pick that up 90 feet from home plate
you have replay technology, use it
Crazy that it isn't reviewable
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