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re: It’s not fair that Auburn gets UGA while Bama gets UT every year

Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:51 pm to
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:51 pm to
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This really pokes a big hole in your narrative.


Not really. He was hurt...why is it so hard to admit it influenced the game?
Posted by GruntAu
Member since Jul 2017
753 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:13 pm to
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Auburn whining? Noooooooooooooooo. Haven’t heard hardly a peep of excuses like hard schedule, refs scheming against y’all, playing UGA twice, Bama getting into the playoff, injuries, bad coaching, etc.


What does bama making the playoffs have to do with AU vs uga? I actually think y'all came to play, and your coaches saw that drive against bama where they ran outside all the way down the field to score on us and took note. Why bama decided not to do it after is beyond me but your coaches saw it and made an adjustment and kudos to them. I'll never say y'all didn't come to play. Not an excuse, but in a rematch the losing team knows they had to make adjustments and the winning team, us, stupidly didn't think they had to. im not upset because your happy you beat us, it just bothers me you don't give us credit for doing it to you a few weeks earlier

It would be nice to have Ga Tech instead of bama the last game so we could focus on making adjustments for you guys but what can you do about that, part of playing in the west and playing them every year .
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 10:44 pm
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:18 pm to
Frankly we have been giving the buttsniffers plenty of credit.

The problem is they want more than they are due.

Facts are they were 1-1 against us this year and outscored between the two games. They got to advance because they play a weaker schedule than us, not because they are as good as us or or equal.

They should just stfu and be happy but they seem to have some sort of inferiority complex that is driving them, so whatever. Maybe if they can win a title too they will be a bit more secure.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:29 pm to
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Facts are they were 1-1 against us this year and outscored between the two games. They got to advance because they play a weaker schedule than us, not because they are as good as us or or equal.

They should just stfu and be happy but they seem to have some sort of inferiority complex that is driving them, so whatever. Maybe if they can win a title too they will be a bit more secure.



In before someone from uga mentions the series record in the last 10 years.

Well stated though.
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 10:30 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39291 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:43 pm to
I said it had a minor influence, which is generous. Why?

The data shows that we figured out how to control him and the au o in game 1. It took our punt return team to give them life again to get back in the groove. Other data shows this eventually happens in every game uga plays vs Gus.

I have concluded that you simply don't think the LOS is important in football. Why?

You are choosing to ignore your OL owning our front 7 in game 1, and then uga owning your blocking in game 2. Drive 2 of game 2 is the best example of this.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:49 pm to
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Facts are they were 1-1 against us this year and outscored between the two games. They got to advance because they play a weaker schedule


Speaking of insecurity, it takes a lot of it to give Bama and the schedule more credit than uga and the refs.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:52 pm to
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I have concluded that you simply don't think the LOS is important in football. Why?


I actually believe the LOS is the most important part.

IMO you did a better job neutralizing our DL and when Matthews and Williams went out in the 2nd half ya'll ran wild...they are our two best run supports from the back 7. Even with them ya'll did much better.

All season when KJ was 100% our average OL played above average. The games he missed or when he was injured our OL looked average or worse. The data when he played healthy vs when he wasn't healthy or was out is striking in our O this season. That's not uga's fault, but it is the reality. I don't believe uga did anything significantly different from game 1 to game 2 defensively. The difference is when ya'll adjusted to something we hurt you with in game 2 we didn't have the options to shift to like we did in game 1 when you also tried to adjust but it didn't work.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39291 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 11:03 pm to
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season when KJ was 100% our average OL played above average. The games he missed or when he was injured our OL looked average or worse.


Correlation is not always causation. You are confusing the two. Here is why:

He was just as healthy in the first 3 drives of game 1 as he was in drives 4-7 of game 1.

He was Just as healthy in drive 1 of game 2 as he was in drive 2 of game 2.

What changed? What caused a major drop in production from start to next?

Answer is Blocking at the LOS and/or playcalling by Gus.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 11:10 pm to
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He was just as healthy in the first 3 drives of game 1 as he was in drives 4-7 of game 1.



That simply isn't true. He took a hit and his limited effectiveness was over.

In football some drives are just bust...3 and outs, etc...From the first quarter of the 1st game to the mid portion of the 2nd quarter of the 2nd game Auburn offense moved the ball at will. What changed? KJ.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26028 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 11:27 pm to
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He took a hit and his limited effectiveness was over.



Was it his legs or his shoulder that was hurt?
Posted by GruntAu
Member since Jul 2017
753 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 11:35 pm to
He got hurt in the bama game, how was he just the same. Maybe I'll give you he was a little more banged up after uga hit him after the whistle, but who knows..
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39291 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 11:36 pm to
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That simply isn't true. He took a hit and his limited effectiveness was over.


I am talking about game 1 in this point. He didn't get hurt in game 1. After not giving up one td, We forced 4 straight punts in the period you claim for domination. That's far from moving the ball "at will". Data ain't your friend here.

What play did he take an effectiveness hit in game 2?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26028 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 11:39 pm to
What part of him was injured?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39291 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 11:46 pm to
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how was he just the same


His legs and other arm were the same. The legs are the most important part.
Posted by BreezyDawg
Trembling Earth
Member since Dec 2016
3320 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:36 am to
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Facts are they were 1-1 against us this year and outscored between the two games. They got to advance because they play a weaker schedule than us, not because they are as good as us or or equal.


No we advanced because we won at the right time. Everyone knew that game in Jordan-Hare meant nothing to UGA's title chances going into the matchup. Auburn had a lot more to play for that day and it showed. When we were playing for the same thing as yall were we put a beating on you. Yea your RB wasn't 100%, but that defense that dominated us in JH got run over all in the ATL. Our defense stepped up and forced some turnovers, our team as a whole played more disciplined that day and the final score showed it.

Posted by GruntAu
Member since Jul 2017
753 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 8:59 am to
Everyone knew that game in Jordan-Hare meant nothing to UGA's title chances going into the matchup.[/quote]

Not true

And that defense was missing its best linebacker and corner most the game
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:14 am to
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And that defense was missing its best linebacker and corner most the game



And run support free safety...and SDE. Christmas came early for uga.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:32 am to
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Correlation is not always causation. You are confusing the two. Here is why:

He was just as healthy in the first 3 drives of game 1 as he was in drives 4-7 of game 1.

He was Just as healthy in drive 1 of game 2 as he was in drive 2 of game 2.

What changed? What caused a major drop in production from start to next?

Answer is Blocking at the LOS and/or playcalling by Gus.


Clearly you interpret football on feel more than actual information...you act like a team stopping another team in a given series is definitive proof of info. The data looked at on the whole tells the actual story. Any D can get a stop from time to time.

In the 1st game Auburn had 13 possessions...8 ended in points...1 ended in a 45 yard drive leading to taking a knee in the Red Zone.

In the 2nd game Auburn had 3 possessions before KJ's limited effectiveness became obvious...in spite of him playing hurt Auburn still managed 2 drives out of 3 over 10 plays and it accounted for 137 yards with both of the 2 drives of 10 plays reaching the red zone. Auburn scored a TD on one drive and gave the ball up on a TO on the other.

In the first game those 13 drives accounted for 518 yards.

Add all of that together uga's D managed to give up 655 yards when Auburn's O was relatively complete. In 16 possessions Auburn managed to score a TD or reach the Red Zone 10 times.

You may feel like uga suddenly stepped up and changed what was happening, you may feel like uga had a stretch in the first game where they shut Auburn down. However, the data paints the picture and it isn't what you felt.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 9:34 am
Posted by atlanta917
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2017
6149 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 10:08 am to
UGA fans have an inferiority complex, yet auburn fans are saying their 3 loss team is better than UGA’s playoff team... it was no secret the sec championship game was for a playoff spot. Auburn fans need to quit bitching and stop acting surprised the second game was more important.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26773 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 10:15 am to
Auburn must be the softest football team of all time if one player getting hurt causes the rest of the team to start getting their arse kicked.
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