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re: It’s absurd to say the SEC should not have expanded into Texas
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:00 am to Gifman
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:00 am to Gifman
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We threw a life raft to the Texas schools that were drowning in that pathetic conference they were in.
Not even close. With their AAU membership, massive tv ratings/market, and recruiting territory, literally every other conference would have begged them to join.
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:00 am to MillerLiteTime
I've never really cared to criticize any team, at least not seriously, for expansion.
We crossed the Texas path 12 years ago and the Oklahoma path (state that really has never even been close to being considered part of the South) with Mizzou the same year.
Have no problem with it. At least you can drive to each state without having to go into a non SEC state to get there.
We crossed the Texas path 12 years ago and the Oklahoma path (state that really has never even been close to being considered part of the South) with Mizzou the same year.
Have no problem with it. At least you can drive to each state without having to go into a non SEC state to get there.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:14 am to JetDawg
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Sounds woke.
Tell me you don’t know what woke means without…
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:15 am to MillerLiteTime
I agree completely. I just hate that money has become the SOLE driving factor.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:18 am to MillerLiteTime
The population of the Texas triangle is greater than the population of Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana combined.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:19 am to m2pro
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As we all know, their tv market was worth the trade, fam.
It was a short-term win in that it helped make SEC Network more appealing at the end of the "big TV market" era.
But we're squarely into the "big brand" era now, and the long term consequence is that there's a B1G school on the SEC's western flank taking the spot that a Clemson/FSU/UNC should have.
That said, Missouri's made the best of their situation and have invested in their football program (though seemingly only their football program) and shown well in their time in the conference.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:26 am to MillerLiteTime
quote:Get out of here with your logical takes. We can put up with a LOT on the Rant, but that's just a little too far!
We had to take Texas and aTm to keep up, and we should be glad to have them.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:33 am to koreandawg
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:33 am to MillerLiteTime
Texas and A&M makes sense in the SEC, it was Mizzou being the one that doesnt
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:45 am to TeLeFaWx
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The population of the Texas triangle is greater than the population of Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana combined.
Exactly. And we aren’t talking California or NYC eyeballs. These are people who actually watch college football, pack stadiums, and travel to road games.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:46 am to MillerLiteTime
All conferences should have stayed same.
Big 8 etc
Big 8 etc
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:48 am to PerrillouxToTexas
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It was a short-term win
Incorrect.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:50 am to MillerLiteTime
The SEC plays the long game .... always has, Roy Kramer wrote the master plan 40 years ago when he was still the AD at Vandy.
It always included Texas .... but his plan was based upon Flagship Universities and FSU. FSU shite on Kramer in '91.
He even said, around 2001 or so, (after he had announced his retirement, that the SEC should have every Flagship University in the Southeastern U.S. as members.
He was asked, while we were sitting there in the hotel banquet room in BHam, if he meant UNC, UVA, Texas and Oklahoma. I think it was Larry Phipps that asked him the question but it may have been Dave Neal .... they were all sitting at our table eating lunch so I can't remember. Charlie whatshisname was there .... dammit, old man's brain block is hitting me right now.
Anyways, Kramer drew it up .... everyone else has just been executing his master plan.
FSU and Clemson will never be members. At least not in anyone's lifetime reading this. Frank Howard even admitted that before he died when he admitted, "yeah, we let Bobby screw us up on that one."
It always included Texas .... but his plan was based upon Flagship Universities and FSU. FSU shite on Kramer in '91.
He even said, around 2001 or so, (after he had announced his retirement, that the SEC should have every Flagship University in the Southeastern U.S. as members.
He was asked, while we were sitting there in the hotel banquet room in BHam, if he meant UNC, UVA, Texas and Oklahoma. I think it was Larry Phipps that asked him the question but it may have been Dave Neal .... they were all sitting at our table eating lunch so I can't remember. Charlie whatshisname was there .... dammit, old man's brain block is hitting me right now.
Anyways, Kramer drew it up .... everyone else has just been executing his master plan.
FSU and Clemson will never be members. At least not in anyone's lifetime reading this. Frank Howard even admitted that before he died when he admitted, "yeah, we let Bobby screw us up on that one."
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:52 am to m2pro
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Incorrect.
Okay, you got me there.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:57 am to rtr23242526
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All conferences should have stayed same. Big 8 etc
That’s like the CEO of KMart going to an industry conference and saying “we should have all agreed to never ship direct to consumer and we would all be fine.” Change was coming and it wasn’t completely within the SEC’s control. No one would have dreamed of the Pac collapsing back when USC and Oregon were exciting everyone in the early 2000s. They stayed relatively stagnant, assumed they were geographically protected, and passed on bold ideas like adding Texas schools when they had the chance.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:00 am to rtr23242526
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All conferences should have stayed same.
Then Texas would still be a part of the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association along with 18 other programs- Bama, Auburn, Central, Clemson, Cumberland, Georgia, GT, Kentucky, LSU, Mercer, Ms State, Nashville, UNC, Sewanee, SW Prez, Tennessee, Tulane & Vandy.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:25 am to Hback
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:40 am to MillerLiteTime
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I keep reading over and over the sentiment that Texas and aTm don’t belong here. Well, in the real world, this is what happens if we did not add them:
Texas and aTm, both AAU schools, join the Big Ten. Oklahoma, wanting to remain with Texas and reunite with Nebraska, gets a Big Ten invite on the condition that they make progress toward AAU membership. The revenue gap between SEC and B10 becomes substantial, 20 million or more per school. Florida, an AAU member, then joins the B10. Revenue gets even more imbalanced. UNC goes B10. In a worst case scenario, UGA, who badly wants AAU membership, potentially goes B10 in pursuit of that.
Revenue gaps are how conferences get destroyed. It’s how America and democracy won the Cold War.
We had to take Texas and aTm to keep up, and we should be glad to have them.
You do understand the revenue gets split among teams right? So more teams = more splits between the revenue.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:42 am to MillerLiteTime
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That’s like the CEO of KMart going to an industry conference and saying “we should have all agreed to never ship direct to consumer and we would all be fine.” Change was coming and it wasn’t completely within the SEC’s control. No one would have dreamed of the Pac collapsing back when USC and Oregon were exciting everyone in the early 2000s. They stayed relatively stagnant, assumed they were geographically protected, and passed on bold ideas like adding Texas schools when they had the chance.
There is limited success in a conference. 12 teams or 30 teams, there is still only 1 conference champion. All conference games, regardless of the number of teams or the quality of the teams come out to a .500 record.
Take the 10 best teams in the country, put them in a conference. Someone has to play the role of Vandy. And within 10 years, they will. There isn't enough success to go around.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:52 am to 3down10
No vandy is vandy bc they don’t fit in. They don’t invest remotely close to the rest of the sec. The pac 12 never had a vandy. If you took the 12 best and stuck them together no one would willingly be a vandy. Maybe an ole miss or usce atm where your pockets of success are fewer than the uga bamas of the world would be the more likely outcome.
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