re: It has been been 50 years since our last NC in Football AND

Later CC

Crazy, think this guy really believes half the shite he posts?

Yes, I believe he does believe despite evidence. I would hesitate to believe he likely believes in the Kennedy conspiracy and Bush blew up the levees in NO! ...some people just believe in revisionist theories!

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if you get 66 you also have to give back that one in the 70s when you lost at home to USC and still edged them out in one of the polls

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Both Alabama and USC were one loss teams in 1978.

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Having a trophy in a museum won't change how every historical football source views 1964.





So, poll titles don't mean anything now?

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Wait did he really say every historical source views the 64' title as arky's?

Again, as a few said early on in the thread. Back then, the bowl games were exibition games, not taken as serious as today or a few years later when they did use the bowl games as a national champion qualifier.

Outside of the Arky region who did the national media deem the national champ? Hmmmmm

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Wait did he really say every historical source views the 64' title as arky's?

Again, as a few said early on in the thread. Back then, the bowl games were exibition games, not taken as serious as today or a few years later when they did use the bowl games as a national champion qualifier.

Outside of the Arky region who did the national media deem the national champ? Hmmmmm

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That's where Hog fans get completely out of whack in this discussion. I don't think most people are saying they don't deserve at least a share. However, they want the AP trophy to be completely overlooked in favor of the FWAA trophy for one single season. The voting method was changed because of this outcome, and it ironically cost the Hogs another title in 1965.

The 1978 season was really competitive with 3 outstanding teams and one really fine team, Penn State.

Whereas Southern Cal has a legitimate beef since they beat Alabama head to head, you cannot deny Alabama's AP title considering it came after beating then #1 Penn State. Plus Alabama had gotten hosed in November of that year by the voters.

#4 Nebraska upset #1 Oklahoma 17-14 on the same day #3 Alabama popped #10 LSU 31-10. Remember earlier in the year Alabama beat Nebraska 20-3 in as they say a score "not nearly that close". #2 Penn State jumped to #1. But Nebraska jumped Alabama going from 4 to 2 and Alabama stayed #3. To Joe Paterno's credit he wanted Penn State to play the highest ranked team possible. Had Nebraska beaten Missouri the next week (another team Alabama defeated),Penn State would have faced Nebraksa in the Orange Bowl for the title.

IMO, in 1978 Alabama,Southern Cal and Oklahoma were the best and really hard to separate those three. If one of them wants to say they were #1 that year (Oklahoma got a lot of the 'Dunkel' type awards) that's fine with me.

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There is no sense in arguing about NC's with a fan base whose school conjured up mythical titles out of mid air 40+ years after the seasons happened.

Do you really think you are going to win that argument?

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Hold on, there Arnold. Many of your own Hog fans dig their heels in and use all sorts of bizarre,circular logic trying to convince a lot of people here, if not themselves, that Arkansas is the premier athletic program in the SEC and have competed for multiple NC's in football and have a basketball tradition only surpassed by UCLA and Duke.

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Do you really think you are going to win that argument?

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I'm not trying to argue anything. That was my first post in this thread and I was just posting what happened since I didnt know and for all to see. But honestly no one can say we didn't deserve a share of that title. Even more so after we won our bowl and Bama lost theirs against a team we already beat. Bama is lucky the polls were after the bowls and Arkansas is lucky enough polls saw us worthy for us to get a share.

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I havent read anything in this thread except the last few posts and since this took place in 1964 I had to google wtf happened

Taken from Wiki.

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Again, since bowl games were not viewed toward the NC hunt, they were viewed more as exibition games back then, except for maybe, just maybe the Rose bowl.

Just because Arky beat UT and Bama lost to UT and Arky won their bowl game, Again, has no change on how the entire nation viewed the NC that year.

If it were the other way around, I would be on your(Ark) side but The AP and the UPI awarded it to Bama

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During the 20th Century, the NCAA had no playoff for the college football teams that would later be described as "Division I-A". The NCAA did recognize a national champion based upon the final results of "wire service" (AP and UPI) polls. The AP poll in 1964 consisted of the votes of 55 sportswriters

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as compared to the 5 member comittee of the FWA

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In 1965, the AP's final poll came after the bowl games, an arrangement that became permanent in 1968. UPI followed suit in 1974

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