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re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 7:30 pm to atlantarebs
Posted on 9/21/23 at 7:30 pm to atlantarebs
Alabama will be fine under NIL. They have extensive existing donor support, redirecting that support where it best serves the program is really what is being developed but what Alabama is doing is not undeveloped either.
What I am actually complaining about is that the way NIL is structured is going to disengage fan interest amongst teams that don’t have existing inertia for donor revenue like Alabama.
I don’t get what it is about fans assuming if a user got the crimson script A that their opinions are self-serving. I don’t get why people think that Alabama sucking dick so far this year has anything to do with recruiting, NIL, or the transfer portal either. It doesn’t. It has everything to do with institutional brain drain and a 70yo head coach.
What I am actually complaining about is that the way NIL is structured is going to disengage fan interest amongst teams that don’t have existing inertia for donor revenue like Alabama.
I don’t get what it is about fans assuming if a user got the crimson script A that their opinions are self-serving. I don’t get why people think that Alabama sucking dick so far this year has anything to do with recruiting, NIL, or the transfer portal either. It doesn’t. It has everything to do with institutional brain drain and a 70yo head coach.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 7:31 pm
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 7:35 pm to Wildcat1996
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have access to a free 6-figure education.
6 figure education? Where did you go to school? My child’s daycare is more expensive than at UF.
University of Florida's tuition is $6,381 for in-state and $28,658 for out-of-state students. Compared with the national average cost of in-state tuition of $11,560, University of Florida is cheaper.
National average is $11.5k x 4 years and it’s less than $50k for most students.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:00 pm to Hback
I'm curious how a NIL deal works for a visit.
Do they technically pay the kid for an autograph session while he's in town or something?
Do they technically pay the kid for an autograph session while he's in town or something?
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:02 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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6 figure education? Where did you go to school? My child’s daycare is more expensive than at UF.
University of Florida's tuition is $6,381 for in-state and $28,658 for out-of-state students.
So for an out of state student, tuition is 114,000 dollars for four years, not including room and board.
100K+ = six figures.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:02 pm to Diego Ricardo
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large corporations that are handing out borderline pro athlete yearly contract payouts
This would be awfully difficult to explain at the stockholder's meeting and I haven't seen any evidence of it happening.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:15 pm to Doak Walker
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This would be awfully difficult to explain at the stockholder's meeting and I haven't seen any evidence of it happening
Bryce Young was make vet minimum NFL money before even starting a game at Alabama. It’s definitely happening. Granted, likely through a collection of contracts with advertisers and media entities.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:18 pm to Quicksilver
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It's incredible to me how often people bring up "capping" NIL earnings. You are essentially saying that an adult should only make so much money off of their popularity because they are play a sport in college. No other college student is held to that standard.
The NFL has salary caps for teams. I imagine most for "NIL capping" would be ok with just a team cap and the team can spread among their players however they want.
Like the NFL, though, there would have to be something for everyone, like minimum salaries, renegotiations, etc. It would probably have to be through a collective bargaining agreement like the NFL, too.
The huge majority of schools would not be able to keep up with the minimums. No way would the money numbers be kept low enough so Central Michigan would be able to afford it.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:22 pm to scrooster
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Both need to have limitations imposed.
Get the frick out of here with this communist bullshite. NIL is EVERYTHING America was built on.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:26 pm to Wildcat1996
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and have access to a free 6-figure education.
Irrelevant. Not a “perk”. If college football didn’t exist, every one of these big time recruits would be drafted straight into the NFL and get even more money like baseball players do.
Calling “free education” a perk for these players is like your boss telling you he’s gonna give you a 50% pay increase but you can only spend that money with him and on his products and then raising the cost of his products exponentially.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:29 pm to MedDawg
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The NFL has salary caps for teams. I imagine most for "NIL capping" would be ok with just a team cap and the team can spread among their players however they want. Like the NFL, though, there would have to be something for everyone, like minimum salaries, renegotiations, etc. It would probably have to be through a collective bargaining agreement like the NFL, too.
The ONLY way you could get away with a cap is if you enacted a draft like the NFL does. Good luck with that with all these teams and when the #1 QB that year gets “drafted” to Backwoods Podunk State University see how long that lasts.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:42 pm to J2thaROC
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The ONLY way you could get away with a cap is if you enacted a draft like the NFL does. Good luck with that with all these teams and when the #1 QB that year gets “drafted” to Backwoods Podunk State University see how long that lasts.
This is why my position that NLI is one of the few emerging factors that is going to disengage fans from the sport.
You can’t rationalize the sport for better competition because it breaks the facade that this is about collegial competition. So the problems will be unaddressed.
The playoffs, NIL, the utter destruction of the regional focus of this sport are going to lead to 1 to 2 dozen teams with all the talent rather than just the majority of it. The competition will get worse, so eventually the last threads of the regional flavor of this sport will be broken to make a “national conference” with those bought into brinksmanship compensation recruiting battles to build rosters.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:46 pm to J2thaROC
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Get the frick out of here with this communist bullshite. NIL is EVERYTHING America was built on.
Is the NFL communist? The MLB doesn’t have a salary cap but they have restrictions on free agency and an initial entry draft.
The pro sports know that unfettered markets internal to their capitalist enterprise are bad. That’s why they bound things.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:58 pm to J2thaROC
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The ONLY way you could get away with a cap is if you enacted a draft like the NFL does. Good luck with that with all these teams and when the #1 QB that year gets “drafted” to Backwoods Podunk State University see how long that lasts.
Georgia picks last, could you imagine?
It wouldn't be any easier for State, though. We would have picked 20th from last in this year's college draft.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:30 pm to J2thaROC
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Irrelevant. Not a “perk”. If college football didn’t exist, every one of these big time recruits would be drafted straight into the NFL
And most of them would find out real quick that their elite high school talent doesnt translate to the NFL. And so after a few paychecks they are cut, and then the money runs dry, and then they have no education or degree to fall back on…
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:31 pm to MedDawg
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The NFL has salary caps for teams.
THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO ENDORSEMENTS
I do not understand why y’all can’t get this through your heads. Patty mahomes is in every commercial in Kansas City. That’s easily an extra 20 million. They do not cap the NFL athletes ability to make money off their NAME IMAGE or LIKEWISE because according to the Supreme Court that is unconstitutional
You’re acting like a bunch of communist. You cannot limit an athlete from taking endorsement deals because you just don’t like it
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:31 pm to Hback
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When asked to rate his confidence on a scale of 1 to 10 in the NCAA being able to get effective rules and guardrails put in place without federal legislation, Smith put it at a four.
The AD is a complete idiot or this is horrible click bait journalism. Even half of us nimrods on this board know that one of the few NIL limiting powers the NCAA has is that it explicitly can not be used to entice a recruit to attend your school. This "new NIL infraction" is the same infraction it was 50 years ago when kids were asking for money upfront (SEE Eric Dickerson and the Trans-Am).
The AD has to know this, so I cant imagine him associating NIL reform with this practice. As a previous poster said, this is already plainly defined in the NCAA by-laws as an infraction. Report the kid to the NCAA as you are required to do and move on down the road.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 1:42 am to Hback
The second that NIL became a reality, I knew this is where things were heading and it’s only going to get worse. Now realizing that the NCAA is impotent and anything you try to legislate will infringe on these players’ rights, there is nothing left to restrain things and the players are becoming more and more aware that they hold all the cards. All that is missing is official agents.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 2:06 am to MedDawg
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The NFL has salary caps for teams. I imagine most for "NIL capping" would be ok with just a team cap and the team can spread among their players however they want. Like the NFL, though, there would have to be something for everyone, like minimum salaries, renegotiations, etc. It would probably have to be through a collective bargaining agreement like the NFL, too. The huge majority of schools would not be able to keep up with the minimums. No way would the money numbers be kept low enough so Central Michigan would be able to afford it.
The NFL doesn’t cap a players NIL.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:12 am to Hback
Kids now make more than working adults.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:40 am to RT1941
The unspoken thing here is NIL is often no-show cash hand outs - or almost nearly that relative to the cash exchanged - from entities indirectly associated with the school but ran by the boosters and donors of athletic department.
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