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It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.
Posted by Hback
on 9/21/23 at 1:02 pm
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1According to Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith, “A practice of asking a school for a fee to simply visit campus has emerged; asking for $5,000 just to visit has become common. During visits, discussions now emerge regarding how much a student-athlete can expect from NIL"
“Congress needs to enact NIL legislation as soon as possible,” he said. When asked to rate his confidence on a scale of 1 to 10 in the NCAA being able to get effective rules and guardrails put in place without federal legislation, Smith put it at a four.
Smith said the issue has been compounded by the presence of collectives, many of which he noted have gone from being 501(c)(3) organizations to limited liability corporations in light of a recent IRS interpretation.
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“Congress needs to enact NIL legislation as soon as possible,” he said. When asked to rate his confidence on a scale of 1 to 10 in the NCAA being able to get effective rules and guardrails put in place without federal legislation, Smith put it at a four.
Smith said the issue has been compounded by the presence of collectives, many of which he noted have gone from being 501(c)(3) organizations to limited liability corporations in light of a recent IRS interpretation.
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"become common" is the most hilarious part as if this wasn't already an issues for decades.
I remember a recruit years ago we were trying to pay to come visit and MSU was trying to pay for him NOT to come visit us.
I remember a recruit years ago we were trying to pay to come visit and MSU was trying to pay for him NOT to come visit us.
re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.Posted by MetryMauler on 9/21/23 at 1:11 pm to Hback
Yep, the next step is one school paying $7,500 for a recruit to not visit a rival school.
Ironic coming from the suckeyes.
They were well known, for decades, for being one of the most flagrant pay for play violating institutions in the NCAA.
ETA: The real issue OSU, et al, institutions have with NIL is it, in some ways, has leveled the playing field and detoothed the NCAA.
Make no mistake about it, the NIL, without ceilings and limitations, will lead-to the destruction of the NCAA as we know it. Same for the transfer portal. Both need to have limitations imposed.
$100k NIL, one transfer per five year period, period, with a minimum three year commitment for the original signing school or a repayment clause which would allow a student athlete to transfer after two years.
Also, there needs to be strict NDA laws put in place so that a player is disqualified from playing against his former team IF he nas accepted NIL money. This still leaves issues in place as, for instance, if a player transfers from say .... LSU to Texas knowing full well the two will play one another that season or the following season, plays and scheme (proprietary intellectual property) could be given to the player's new team upon transfer.
It's a big can of worms that has been opened.
The other one being fired former coaches influencing players to transfer as a means of revenge.
They were well known, for decades, for being one of the most flagrant pay for play violating institutions in the NCAA.
ETA: The real issue OSU, et al, institutions have with NIL is it, in some ways, has leveled the playing field and detoothed the NCAA.
Make no mistake about it, the NIL, without ceilings and limitations, will lead-to the destruction of the NCAA as we know it. Same for the transfer portal. Both need to have limitations imposed.
$100k NIL, one transfer per five year period, period, with a minimum three year commitment for the original signing school or a repayment clause which would allow a student athlete to transfer after two years.
Also, there needs to be strict NDA laws put in place so that a player is disqualified from playing against his former team IF he nas accepted NIL money. This still leaves issues in place as, for instance, if a player transfers from say .... LSU to Texas knowing full well the two will play one another that season or the following season, plays and scheme (proprietary intellectual property) could be given to the player's new team upon transfer.
It's a big can of worms that has been opened.
The other one being fired former coaches influencing players to transfer as a means of revenge.
This post was edited on 9/21 at 1:23 pm
These are ‘official’ visits I’m sure…there are tons of rules on unofficial game day visits.
Been to 2 so far this season. They’re nice enough, but we’re good for a bit.
Been to 2 so far this season. They’re nice enough, but we’re good for a bit.
re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.Posted by Wildcat1996 
on 9/21/23 at 1:25 pm to RealDawg
on 9/21/23 at 1:25 pm to RealDawgThey don't even let tour pros collect an appearance fee at PGA events (I suspect some do under the table).
Now we have 17yr olds, who can barely read and write, demanding cash to be seen on a campus where they will be idolized, live like kings, and have access to a free 6-figure education.
Sucks to be slow and capable of operating a 4-function calculator.
Now we have 17yr olds, who can barely read and write, demanding cash to be seen on a campus where they will be idolized, live like kings, and have access to a free 6-figure education.
Sucks to be slow and capable of operating a 4-function calculator.
re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.Posted by Quicksilver 
on 9/21/23 at 1:36 pm to Hback
on 9/21/23 at 1:36 pm to HbackThis same thread was made on the recruiting board. Just gonna C&P:
Recruits have been paid to visit places for years. They're also paid to not visit places. Nothing new, just above board.
Recruits have been paid to visit places for years. They're also paid to not visit places. Nothing new, just above board.
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re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.Posted by atlantarebs 
on 9/21/23 at 1:37 pm to scrooster
on 9/21/23 at 1:37 pm to scroosterquote:
$100k NIL, one transfer per five year period, period, with a minimum three year commitment for the original signing school or a repayment clause which would allow a student athlete to transfer after two years.
This is crazy. Would you sign a job offer with these conditions?
re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.Posted by atlantarebs on 9/21/23 at 1:39 pm to Wildcat1996
on 9/21/23 at 1:39 pm to Wildcat1996quote:
Now we have 17yr olds, who can barely read and write, demanding cash to be seen on a campus where they will be idolized, live like kings, and have access to a free 6-figure education.
You realize that college football is a multi billion dollar business that relies entirely on these 17 year olds?
re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.Posted by Gaston 
on 9/21/23 at 1:41 pm to atlantarebs
on 9/21/23 at 1:41 pm to atlantarebsSo? What percentage of the butts in seats came to see one or two players? They’re fans of a school, like I am, not a player. Sure, I want to win so pay the kids…but frick off with their self importance.
This post was edited on 9/21 at 1:41 pm
Good.
Let the kids get paid. This gravy train isn't going to last forever. As long as there are idiots who will pony up the money, the recruits should ask for it.
Hell, have them ask for everything. You want to post a video of your head coach grinding on me while I'm wearing your uniform? That'll be an extra $1K.
Let the kids get paid. This gravy train isn't going to last forever. As long as there are idiots who will pony up the money, the recruits should ask for it.
Hell, have them ask for everything. You want to post a video of your head coach grinding on me while I'm wearing your uniform? That'll be an extra $1K.
re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.Posted by Wildcat1996 on 9/21/23 at 1:43 pm to atlantarebs
on 9/21/23 at 1:43 pm to atlantarebsquote:
You realize that college football is a multi billion dollar business that relies entirely on these 17 year olds?
Truly insighful. Do you have a newsletter to which I may subscribe?
Let's have some fun with this. Do you realize that Higher Ed is 6.4% of a US GDP of over 23 Trillion and is entirely reliant on 17 yr old kids...who pay the bills?
To be clear, if they can get it more power to them. Just don't ask me to tell you it isn't idiotic and not laugh about it.
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Madagascar Africa 536 2023 501 2021 500 2021
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Mozambique Africa 587 2023 492 2021 492 2021
Afghanistan Asia 611 2020 369 2021 373 2021
Niger Africa 613 2023 591 2021 591 2021
Chad Africa 667 2023 686 2021 955 2021
DR Congo Africa 695 2023 577 2021 551 2021
Eritrea Africa 715 2023 644 2011 623 2021
Liberia Africa 805 2023 676 2021 471 2021
Gambia Africa 861 2023 772 2021 772 2021
Mali Africa 889 2023 874 2021 875 2021
Burkina Faso Africa 900 2023 893 2021 893 2021
Rwanda Africa 970 2023 822 2021 822 2021
Guinea-Bissau Africa 974 2023 795 2021 759 2021
Sudan Africa 975 2023 752 2021 786 2021
Togo Africa 990 2023 973 2021 944 2021
Uganda Africa 1,105 2023 884 2021 930 2021
Myanmar Asia 1,180 2023 1,210 2021 1,089 2021
Lesotho Africa 1,208 2023 1,094 2021 1,040 2021
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Comoros Africa 1,360 2023 1,578 2021 1,631 2021
Nepal Asia 1,377 2023 1,208 2021 1,159 2021
Benin Africa 1,390 2023 1,319 2021 1,361 2021
Zambia Africa 1,423 2023 1,137 2021 1,095 2021
Timor-Leste Asia 1,425 2023 2,741 2021 1,517 2021
Ethiopia Africa 1,475 2023 925 2021 825 2021
Guinea Africa 1,549 2023 1,189 2021 1,185 2021
Pakistan Asia 1,658 2022 1,505 2021 1,480 2021
Cameroon Africa 1,699 2023 1,667 2021 1,668 2021
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Laos Asia 1,858 2023 2,536 2021 2,569 2021
Cambodia Asia 1,896 2023 1,625 2021 1,608 2021
Kiribati Oceania 1,989 2023 1,607 2021 1,765 2021
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Haiti Americas 2,173 2023 1,830 2021 1,664 2021
Kenya Africa 2,269 2023 2,082 2021 2,082 2021
Nigeria Africa 2,280 2023 2,066 2021 2,019 2021
Solomon Islands Oceania 2,299 2023 2,305 2021 2,306 2021
Bangladesh Asia 2,469 2023 2,458 2021 2,450 2021
Mauritania Africa 2,475 2023 2,166 2021 2,166 2021
Uzbekistan Asia 2,563 2023 1,983 2021 2,032 2021
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Nicaragua Americas 2,589 2023 2,046 2021 2,046 2021
India Asia 2,601 2023 2,257 2021 2,274 2021
Ivory Coast Africa 2,646 2023 2,549 2021 2,539 2021
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Angola Africa 3,204 2023 1,954 2021 2,258 2021
Honduras Americas 3,278 2023 2,772 2021 2,772 2021
Sri Lanka Asia 3,362 2022 4,014 2021 3,918 2021
Bhutan Asia 3,497 2023 3,266 2021 3,063 2021
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Papua New Guinea Oceania 3,517 2023 2,673 2021 2,673 2021
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Venezuela Americas 3,640 2023 15,976 2014 3,965 2021
Egypt Africa 3,644 2023 3,699 2021 3,898 2021
Morocco Africa 3,748 2023 3,795 2021 3,853 2021
Bolivia Americas 3,800 2023 3,345 2021 3,345 2021
Djibouti Africa 3,802 2023 3,150 2021 3,348 2021
Philippines Asia 3,905 2023 3,461 2021 3,461 2021
Tunisia Africa 4,071 2023 3,807 2021 3,807 2021
Eswatini Africa 4,146 2023 3,978 2021 3,969 2021
Iran Asia 4,251 2023 4,091 2021 6,766 2021
Cape Verde Africa 4,278 2023 3,293 2021 3,293 2021
Micronesia Oceania 4,336 2023 3,571 2021 3,573 2021
Samoa Oceania 4,436 2023 3,857 2021 3,919 2021
Vietnam Asia 4,475 2023 3,757 2021 3,756 2021
Algeria Africa 4,481 2023 3,691 2021 3,700 2021
Ukraine Europe 4,654 [n 8]2023 4,836 [n 8]2021 4,596 [n 8]2021
Mongolia Asia 4,814 2023 4,566 2021 4,510 2021
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re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.Posted by atlantarebs on 9/21/23 at 1:44 pm to Gaston
on 9/21/23 at 1:44 pm to Gastonquote:
They’re fans of a school, like I am, not a player. Sure, I want to win so pay the kids…but frick off with their self importance.
You realize that these kids are not paid by the university? this is called free market capitalism. They are worth exactly what they can get someone to pay them.
re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.Posted by atlantarebs on 9/21/23 at 1:47 pm to Wildcat1996
on 9/21/23 at 1:47 pm to Wildcat1996quote:
Truly insighful. Do you have a newsletter to which I may subscribe?
5 billion people on earth can operate a 4 function calculator. Maybe 300 people can play linebacker.
re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.Posted by Gaston on 9/21/23 at 1:48 pm to atlantarebs
on 9/21/23 at 1:48 pm to atlantarebsNo, seems like NIL is attached to a school (all scholarship football players make $X/yr is what the schools push). My son is going through the recruiting process now…but it’s real hazy about where the money comes from.
re: It has "become common" for recruits to ask for $5,000 merely to visit a school’s campus.Posted by atlantarebs on 9/21/23 at 1:50 pm to Gaston
on 9/21/23 at 1:50 pm to Gastonquote:
NIL is attached to a school
Not funded by a school. Funded by advertisers and rich guys that want to win.
quote:
They’re fans of a school, like I am, not a player. Sure, I want to win so pay the kids…but frick off with their self importance.
You’ve just described the awkward, slimy transaction that is modern CFB.
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