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re: Is Saban a just above average coach propped by the best players in CFB?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:13 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:13 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The other thing that is different in the NFL is that the NFL, for the most part, is not a development league. It is a scheme and find the right parts for that scheme then execute the scheme league.
College is both evaluating, finding and recruiting the best raw parts but also developing those raw parts. Saban is elite at both of all of those things, and none of them really translates to the NFL.
It is kind of interesting how much this argument can parallel some made against Coach Cal in basketball. You can make a better argument in regards to Cal but people still go overboard with the "he just rolls the balls out". Cal does a great job with the team from November to March.
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:13 am to RT1941
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While their own programs have a hard time gaining traction and can consistently compete for championships, they poke holes in everything one of the GOAT college coaches does with his team.
Can you have a normal conversation about football without getting all defensive?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:14 am to i am dan
quote:The guy gives you a post filled with facts that contradict what you’re saying and THIS is your reply?
Wasn't he the 400lb noseguard? I know he wasn't 400, but that dude was tough to run at.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:14 am to i am dan
He is the best college coach ever.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:14 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I will also add that the consistency of the program and the way that we play week and in and week out is something that is unmatched and unrivaled by teams that are close in talent. The 80+ game win streak against unranked opponents is as much coaching and discipline as it is talent. Everybody loses a random game every 2-3 years. Saban hasn't lost one since we became good in 2008. Not once. Urban's Ohio State teams were every bit as talented as us per recruiting rankings, and Urban is an all-time great coach. They lost 1 of those games a year (3 of them in blowout fashion).
That is an impressive job by Saban. I imagine one of the most difficult jobs for a coach, especially in the situation of Alabama, is to keep the team hungry after so much success.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:14 am to rockiee
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It is kind of interesting how much this argument can parallel some made against Coach Cal in basketball. You can make a better argument in regards to Cal but people still go overboard with the "he just rolls the balls out". Cal does a great job with the team from November to March.
I actually think Cal gets it worse. People begrudgingly accept that Saban both recruits and develops, and that his teams play fundamentally good football. Nobody really argues that Saban just recruits them and then lets them diddle around. The Saban argument is almost more of an argument against a "what if".
For some reason people talk about Cal like his teams just play rag tag pickup ball, when in reality it's not even close to the truth. Cal's team run his offense and play defense. If the kids don't, they sit on the bench. It's strange how often that just seems to be brushed away.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:14 am to Rohan Gravy
quote:Is recruiting more competitive now with those programs now than they were with Urban/Les/Mark on the trail back then? Of course we have to add Dabo's elite recruiting to the mix as well now, but LSU/UGA/UF have always challenged Saban for elite players.
But things just got a bit more competitive in recruiting with LSU, Georgia, and Florida
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:15 am to ReauxlTide222
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Wasn't he the 400lb noseguard? I know he wasn't 400, but that dude was tough to run at.
quote:BUT he's not getting pissy.
The guy gives you a post filled with facts that contradict what you’re saying and THIS is your reply?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:16 am to BaDoing
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People act like recruiting is not part of coaching
I know it is. That's not what the thread is about. We all know he is a great recruiter. Probably why he has so many 4* and 5* players.. duh.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:16 am to MightyYat
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That's why he's great here and was below average in the NFL
Although his record was not good in the NFL, I don't think he coached long enough to really make an opinion on his stint there.
People talk about Belichick being the goat but, they weren't saying that after his first 5 years in the NFL where compiled a 36-44 record.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:16 am to rockiee
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Do you think Saban's roster in year 1 with the Dolphins was better than 9 wins?
If a better decision was made to go with Brees I believe he would have never left Miami that early.
It was just a poor decision. That is part of coaching in the NFL. Building a winning team is about those decisions and having a vision for those players in your scheme.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:17 am to i am dan
No he’s actually a good coach
The turnaround at LSU was immediate and it was not just player related.
The turnaround at LSU was immediate and it was not just player related.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
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For some reason people talk about Cal like his teams just play rag tag pickup ball, when in reality it's not even close to the truth.
I think it comes from the number of National Championships mainly. Some fans (mostly ones that focus way more on football) think that winning a National Championship in football and basketball are close to the same level of difficulty. Some act like Cal should have 4-5 by now.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 11:19 am
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Placekicking : F-
I had to.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:19 am to ReauxlTide222
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The guy gives you a post filled with facts that contradict what you’re saying and THIS is your reply?
We all have a few diamonds in the rough.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:19 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The 80+ game win streak against unranked opponents is as much coaching and discipline as it is talent. Everybody loses a random game every 2-3 years. Saban hasn't lost one since we became good in 2008. Not once.
I feel like this stat is constantly overlooked. So many top tier coaches have had ridiculous losses recently to unranked teams where there was a vast talent disparity (e.g. anOSU to Iowa, Clemson to Cuse, UGA to USCe, etc.). That type of loss hasn't happened to a team coached by Saban in 10+ years. It's really quite extraordinary.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:19 am to terriblegreen
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He is the best college coach ever.
This is hard to argue.
He might not be the best Xs and Os coach but overall he is the best coach.
There is no doubt that he is the undisputed recruiting champion. And recruiting is part of coaching.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:21 am to i am dan
What drugs are you on?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:22 am to i am dan
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Is Saban a just above average coach
Sure, if it makes you feel better saying an average coach has completely dominated your teams, the SEC, and most of college football for more than a decade, knock yourself out.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 11:22 am to lsufancm5
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GOAT recruiter but not GOAT Coach. When Saban matches up against a team with equal talent and good enough coaching = 44-16.
Saban
Record vs. Top 10 opponents: 30-10
Record vs. Top 25 opponents: 61-17
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