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re: Is Pete Golding evidence that the decline at Bama is FINALLY a thing? (Not trolling)
Posted on 11/30/22 at 2:55 pm to Ten Bears
Posted on 11/30/22 at 2:55 pm to Ten Bears
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Alabama fans were getting tired of Kirby's defense as it routinely got torched by mobile QBs.
All I can say is that the Georgia defense is a monster right now and Alabama is not. You need talent to have great defenses and both teams do. To me, that makes it pretty clear coaching is an issue.
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:01 pm to Basura Blanco
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Even so, you guys went from the best defense in the country to above average/average compared to peer teams.
I'm not sure what your point is, everyone knows our defense isn't performing at the level it should be, but it's not really a decline.
We've had some bad years, like 2019. But that was largely due to injuries. 2020 and 2021 weren't terrible, but still not as good as the Pruitt years.
This years team is not bad statistically. Because the scheme they tried this year works really well against lower competition. The smaller LB's in lineman positions just adds a bunch of speed against those teams, and they wreck things.
The problem is that against better teams we were at a size disadvantage, couldn't stop the run and it showed at times.
We've also been really needing an alpha at MLB, To'to'o just lacks the size.
Bad schemes are the issue here. Just needs to get fixed. I don't know who's idea it was, or whatever, but winning the line of scrimmage is still important.
I don't know who else in the sport would be better or more desired to fix those things than Saban.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:10 pm to higgs_boson
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All I can say is that the Georgia defense is a monster right now and Alabama is not. You need talent to have great defenses and both teams do. To me, that makes it pretty clear coaching is an issue.
Alabama has been playing all year long with only 1 or 2 defensive lineman in on most "normal" snaps.
Even your normal nickle formation has 3 lineman minimum for stopping the run.
Meanwhile, Alabama...can't stop the run.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:10 pm to 3down10
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I'm not sure what your point is, everyone knows our defense isn't performing at the level it should be, but it's not really a decline.
The point was to ask why the performance was lacking and if it was an overall decline. You made some good points on why it might fixable as opposed to a long term issue.
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I don't know who else in the sport would be better or more desired to fix those things than Saban.
A few years ago, I would've totally agreed with this. Now, I would say Kirby Smart would be my choice to fix performance issues with a teams defense. While Saban is still one of the top head coaches in college football, I think he has slipped in his ability to coach up the defensive side of the ball. Again, he is still very good, but I believe he has slipped a notch at that aspect of coaching.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:16 pm to 3down10
I agree with you.
Who do you hold responsible for that? Not a troll just curious.
Who do you hold responsible for that? Not a troll just curious.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:18 pm to Ten Bears
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The decline" is the result of one person....Pete Golding
We won a championship with Golding.
The decline came with Bill fricking O'Brien
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:23 pm to Basura Blanco
I’ve stated this on here before.
It was his change in philosophy.
They beat the crap out of us a few years ago (‘18?) during the regular season in Athens and after the game he talked about how the game has changed and defenses don’t win championships anymore.
It seemed like an attempt at taking a shot at Kirby (we had a pretty high ranked defense that year as well and he wanted it to seem as if Kirby was not “evolving with the times.”)
I think last years Georgia team proved that to be a false statement and this years team has a chance to reinforce it if UGA can win it again.
Nick Saban’s philosophy change has them as more of a high octane offensive juggernaut style with all of the NFL talent at WR and QB over the last few handful of years where Kirby seems to still believe that a great D and balanced O is the way to go.
I’m not stupid enough to try and predict the downfall of bama as long as the goat is still there but over the last 24 months Georgia has looked like the bama of old and bama looks like Ohio St.
No matter what it will always come down to the jimmys and joes more so than the X’s and O’s But dominant defense still wins, you just have to recruit to that.
It was his change in philosophy.
They beat the crap out of us a few years ago (‘18?) during the regular season in Athens and after the game he talked about how the game has changed and defenses don’t win championships anymore.
It seemed like an attempt at taking a shot at Kirby (we had a pretty high ranked defense that year as well and he wanted it to seem as if Kirby was not “evolving with the times.”)
I think last years Georgia team proved that to be a false statement and this years team has a chance to reinforce it if UGA can win it again.
Nick Saban’s philosophy change has them as more of a high octane offensive juggernaut style with all of the NFL talent at WR and QB over the last few handful of years where Kirby seems to still believe that a great D and balanced O is the way to go.
I’m not stupid enough to try and predict the downfall of bama as long as the goat is still there but over the last 24 months Georgia has looked like the bama of old and bama looks like Ohio St.
No matter what it will always come down to the jimmys and joes more so than the X’s and O’s But dominant defense still wins, you just have to recruit to that.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:34 pm to bstew3006
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Golding has done a damn good job and deserves more respect from that entitled spoiled fanbase.
I thought he was doing a particularly good job when he kept letting #11 for Tennessee line up on safeties and then torch them. His ability to refuse to adjust is a great quality that anyone would want in their defensive coordinator.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:35 pm to RyDawg
If the rumors are true about Golding drinking at a bar, one would have to winder if that violated his probation from his DUI charge. I know a lot of Bama fans would be giddy to see Pete do some jail time. He should be charged with impersonating a defensive coordinator.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:42 pm to Basura Blanco
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s Pete Golding evidence that the decline at Bama is FINALLY a thing? (Not trolling)
depends on what you mean by "decline". If you mean returnign to 8-4/9-3 seaons regularly then absolutely not. They'll be in title contention pretty much every year saban is there.
If you mean "not at the indescribably elite level they've been known for for the last decade" then yes, it's hard to even argue.
2011-2017:
national title, national title, upset in finale against auburn, make playoffs but lose, national title, lose in title game, national title
2018-2022:
get shellacked in title game, 2 losses dont' win division, national title, lose in title game, 2 losses don't win division
That second part is still better than pretty much every other cfb program but it's obviously a far cry from what they did in the top part.
Plus they just LOOK different, even putting aside actual W/L results. They aren't as physically intimidating as they used to be. They don't have the enormously massive talent gap over teams they used to. They've whiffed on several coordinator hires lately. Saban seems older and a little more nonchalant than he used to, etc etc.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:43 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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I thought he was doing a particularly good job when he kept letting #11 for Tennessee line up on safeties and then torch them.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:46 pm to WG_Dawg
2018-2022:
get shellacked in title game, 2 losses dont' win division, national title, lose in title game, 2 losses don't win division
Remind me again, what year, Pete Golding assumed DC responsibilities at Alabama?
get shellacked in title game, 2 losses dont' win division, national title, lose in title game, 2 losses don't win division
Remind me again, what year, Pete Golding assumed DC responsibilities at Alabama?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:47 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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I thought he was doing a particularly good job when he kept letting #11 for Tennessee line up on safeties and then torch them. His ability to refuse to adjust is a great quality that anyone would want in their defensive coordinator.
His pass defense against awbarn was outstanding
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:50 pm to WG_Dawg
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Plus they just LOOK different, even putting aside actual W/L results. They aren't as physically intimidating as they used to be.
That is what is striking as an outsider looking at their program.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:55 pm to higgs_boson
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That is what is striking as an outsider looking at their program.
I (as an outsider just making a guess) think there's probably 2 main reasons for that
1) Kirby and Cochran no longer being in tuscaloosa is/was a much bigger loss than anticipated
2) The shift once kiffin came aboard from a smashmouth, physical, line of scrimmage dominating pancake machine to a more finessed, refined, pass-oriented offense kinda took a lot of the physicality and machismo out of what they were accustomed to doing
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:56 pm to WG_Dawg
As an Auburn fan, it kills me to admit it, but I love the way the Georgia defense just crushes the hope out of opponents.
That D is intimidating as hell.
That D is intimidating as hell.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:02 pm to higgs_boson
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I agree with you.
Who do you hold responsible for that? Not a troll just curious.
Saban ultimately. He had to think it was a good idea. It was probably good in theory given the players on our team, but it obviously failed overall.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:04 pm to 3down10
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Saban ultimately. He had to think it was a good idea. It was probably good in theory given the players on our team, but it obviously failed overall.
So do you anticipate he will keep Golding then or move on to another DC?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:07 pm to Basura Blanco
quote:Looks like no amount of discussion will sway your opinion that it's a permanent decline. Kirby's the master.
A few years ago, I would've totally agreed with this. Now, I would say Kirby Smart would be my choice to fix performance issues with a teams defense. While Saban is still one of the top head coaches in college football, I think he has slipped in his ability to coach up the defensive side of the ball. Again, he is still very good, but I believe he has slipped a notch at that aspect of coaching.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:10 pm to RT1941
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Looks like no amount of discussion will sway your opinion that it's a permanent decline. Kirby's the master.
I think it would be settled one way or another if they met every year in the regular season, but otherwise people not.
Although honestly, even then I doubt it would sway opinions.
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