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re: Is it reasonable to expect Tennessee football to turn around?
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:15 am to BigOrangeBri
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:15 am to BigOrangeBri
To answer the original question, I actually think that Tennessee is in a much better position now than they were when Fulmer retired for a number of reasons
- Growth of the state in general and the Mid-State specifically. Tennessee isn't Georgia or Florida, but it's prospect generation has been much better lately and is a huge plus to make up for it becoming way more difficult for Tennessee to go into Georgia/Carolinas/Florida/Mississippi/Louisiana like they used to do in the 90s
- Butch Jones. Butch is not a good coach, but Butch has stabilized the program and built a solid talent base. He's developed solid recruiting lines and while he can't coach worth a shite, he has set the table for whoever replaces him.
- Athletic Department coming out of the darkness. Tennessee's AD was at the start of the disaster in the mid/late 2000s. They still aren't great, but they've moved through some of their money issues and have hired a semi-competent AD
I think that whenever Butch gets canned (probably a couple years) that Tennessee has a chance to hire a pretty good coach and that they could easily get back to a SEC contender and Top 10-15 program. They won't be Saban's Alabama, but they could be LSU.
- Growth of the state in general and the Mid-State specifically. Tennessee isn't Georgia or Florida, but it's prospect generation has been much better lately and is a huge plus to make up for it becoming way more difficult for Tennessee to go into Georgia/Carolinas/Florida/Mississippi/Louisiana like they used to do in the 90s
- Butch Jones. Butch is not a good coach, but Butch has stabilized the program and built a solid talent base. He's developed solid recruiting lines and while he can't coach worth a shite, he has set the table for whoever replaces him.
- Athletic Department coming out of the darkness. Tennessee's AD was at the start of the disaster in the mid/late 2000s. They still aren't great, but they've moved through some of their money issues and have hired a semi-competent AD
I think that whenever Butch gets canned (probably a couple years) that Tennessee has a chance to hire a pretty good coach and that they could easily get back to a SEC contender and Top 10-15 program. They won't be Saban's Alabama, but they could be LSU.
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Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:16 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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UGA 6
AU 6
UT 5
So, Tennessee is roughly the same as Georgia and Auburn and behind Alabama, Florida and LSU?
What's the argument here? That's literally exactly what I said above.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:19 am to SummerOfGeorge
Frick Tennessee Frick em 
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:20 am to SummerOfGeorge
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So, Tennessee is roughly the same as Georgia and Auburn and behind Alabama, Florida and LSU?
What's the argument here? That's literally exactly what I said above.
One major point is that you were ignoring actual SEC titles since 1970, but including SEC championship game appearances.
Ok. So we agree that UT is at best 5th in the conference since integration. Awesome.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:21 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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One major point is that you were ignoring actual SEC titles since 1970
IT'S LITERALLY IN THE STATS I POSTED. IT IS NOT BEING IGNORED.
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Since 1970
- Georgia leads in SEC Championships 6-5
This post was edited on 5/31 at 9:06 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:01 am to SummerOfGeorge
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 9:23 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:23 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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Ok. So we agree that UT is at best 5th in the conference since integration. Awesome.
We integrated before 1970, just sayin
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
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IT'S LITERALLY IN THE STATS I POSTED. IT IS NOT BEING IGNORED.
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Since 1970
- Georgia leads in SEC Championships 6-5
This post was edited on 5/31 at 9:06 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:01 am to SummerOfGeorge
Ok. Next time this comes up, maybe you'll want to also include winning percentages since integration. The rank is like this...
Rank in winning percentage for SEC teams since 1970
Alabama
Georgia
Florida
Auburn
Tennessee
So UGA is 2nd in the SEC and UT is 5th in winning pct, and UGA has more SEC titles. Cool.
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 9:26 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:25 am to SummerOfGeorge
Leadbetter is stupid as frick and furthermore blinded by his hatred of all things VOLS. You're wasting your time, George, George, George
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:26 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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Next time this comes up, maybe you'll want to also include winning percentages since integration
Sure, maybe so, but I think Top 25/10/5 finishes, championships and big bowls matter more than going 5-3 instead of 3-5 in conference.
I'd rather have 2 national titles and 4 Top 10 finishes over 10 years with a record of 45-35 in the SEC than 0 national titles and 2 Top 10 finishes but with a record of 48-32 and a bunch of 9-3 seasons.
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 9:28 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:27 am to David Ricky
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David Ricky
But yet, you can't debate the cold hard numbers.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:28 am to BHMKyle
They'll be back. Every team "wanders in the desert" from time to time, but with the right coach, the Vols will return to some degree of prominence. You don't have 100,000 seat stadiums, a large SEC fan base and a history of success and not show back up at some point....this coming from a guy that despises Tennessee.
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 9:29 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:28 am to Vols&Shaft83
We won SEC titles in 67 and 69, after Integration.
Huddie should kill himself
Huddie should kill himself
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:28 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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you can't debate the cold hard numbers.
You literally argued that the main cold hard number that mattered (SEC Championships) was purposely being ignored (become of some sinister plot I guess) when it was.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:29 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Sure, maybe so, but I think Top 25/10/5 finishes, championships and big bowls matter more than going 5-3 instead of 3-5 in conference.
Of which your own statistics show UGA to be better
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:30 am to SummerOfGeorge
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SummerOfGeorge
Repost of the numbers
Rank in winning percentage for SEC teams since 1970
Alabama
Georgia
Florida
Auburn
Tennessee
Number of SEC titles since 1970
Alabama 17
UF 9
LSU 7
UGA 6
AU 6
UT 5
Thems the facts. Look it up if you need to.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:32 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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Of which your own statistics show UGA to be better
- Tennessee leads series 16-15
- Tied in National Titles 1-1
- Georgia leads in SEC Championships 6-5
- Tied in SEC Championship Game Appearances 5-5
- Tied in Top 5 finishes 6-6
- Tied in Top 10 finishes 12-12
- Georgia leads in Top 25 finishes 27-25
- Georgia leads in major (Alliance/BCS) bowl appearances 9-7
Either tied or 1-2 different in every category. They are almost dead even, and are dead even in the biggest categories (National Titles, Top 5 finishes, Top 10 finishes) with Georgia having a slight lead in SEC Titles (1 more).
Like I said, the argument was that Tennessee has been lower tier since 1970. These stats clearly show they are roughly the same as Georgia (and Auburn, and behind LSU/Florida/Alabama).
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
Where does UT rank in winning pct since all teams were integrated in 1970?
Where does UT rank in number of SEC titles since then?
clue: They are not "almost dead even"
Where does UT rank in number of SEC titles since then?
clue: They are not "almost dead even"
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 9:38 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:36 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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No message
Best post you ever made
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:37 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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But yet, you can't debate the cold hard numbers.
You can keep throwing out your arbitrary dates so you can cherry pick the numbers and forget 80 years of football prior. We will keep not giving a shite about your meaningless posts.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:38 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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Where does UT rank in winning pct since all teams were integrated in 1970? Where does UT rank in number of SEC titles since then?
I've already discussed winning %.
Why are you arguing SEC rank? We're comparing Georgia and Tennessee. Nobody is arguing Tennessee has had a better last 50 years than Florida, Alabama or LSU.
The original argument was Georgia is Tennessee's superior if you remove the 1930's and before. These stats show that isn't true, they are basically dead even since 1970 and Tennessee is slightly ahead since 1992.
That's it. No other SEC teams mentioned.
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