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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
Henry deserved that heisman and then backed it up big time in those playoffs as well. These idiot basement trolls like Cajun and texfag literally will spew any garbage to try and trash LSU, actually ruining a good thread that people have used evidence to back their statements. That being said Fournette went down a couple of times vs bama that made it seem like it was more than just suffocating defense, I think they were in his head. He was trying too hard and not letting plays develop. So many shoestring tackles by dbs that normally he puts on posters. That was all around a rough game, take it away and he has an invite to New York.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:49 am to chitiger91
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That was all around a rough game, take it away and he has an invite to New York.
It was certainly absurd that he wasn't at least in New York.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:50 am to Sean Bean
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Weak. I expected better. And that still doesn't explain this fact: He played against 4 teams that finished in the AP Top 25 and still averaged 139.5 yards from scrimmage per game. This is the 6th best mark in the SEC over the last decade.
Then it was no better than 6th best if not worse considering he played the TWO worst rush defenses in college football that year. Do I need to break out the list of shite tier rush defenses he got the privilege of playing and where they were ranked?
You answered your own question right there.
Thread is shite.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:54 am to cajunbama
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He played against 4 teams that finished in the AP Top 25 and still averaged 139.5 yards from scrimmage per game. This is the 6th best mark in the SEC over the last decade.
Henry averaged 156.3 Yards Per Touch from Scrimmage ONLY against teams that finished in the AP Top 25 in 2015.
#2 Clemson - 158
#6 Michigan State - 69
#10 Ole Miss - 166
#16 LSU - 210
#21 Wisconsin - 159
#22 Tennessee - 143
#25 Florida - 189
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 8:55 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:57 am to Sean Bean
You can't ask a question and then get upset when people disagree with you.
I'd say Henry's 2015 season is more impressive - sure there is some bias in that but Derrick Henry vs. top 25 defenses:
Wisconsin - #3 - 147 yards, 3 tds
Florida - #6 - 189 yards, 1 td
Georgia - #8 - 148 yards, 1 td
Clemson - #10 - 158 yards, 3 tds
LSU - #25 - 210 yards, 3 tds
Averaging somewhere around 175 yards and 2+ tds per game
I'd say Henry's 2015 season is more impressive - sure there is some bias in that but Derrick Henry vs. top 25 defenses:
Wisconsin - #3 - 147 yards, 3 tds
Florida - #6 - 189 yards, 1 td
Georgia - #8 - 148 yards, 1 td
Clemson - #10 - 158 yards, 3 tds
LSU - #25 - 210 yards, 3 tds
Averaging somewhere around 175 yards and 2+ tds per game
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 9:00 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:03 am to chitiger91
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That being said Fournette went down a couple of times vs bama that made it seem like it was more than just suffocating defense, I think they were in his head.
Yep, he was definitely scared. Probably because Foster destroyed him on that KR in 2014.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:09 am to cajunbama
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cajunbama
You work hard at your craft, I'll give you that.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:10 am to TheCaterpillar
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So many shoestring tackles by dbs that normally he puts on posters.
more like DB's knocking him on his arse all night. You should revisit the tape.
also blaming LF for that is not correct either. LSU's line was shite that night.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 9:11 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:11 am to Sean Bean
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He played against 4 teams that finished in the AP Top 25 and still averaged 139.5 yards from scrimmage per game. This is the 6th best mark in the SEC over the last decade
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Is Fournette's 2015 season the most impressive for a SEC RB over the last decade?
Nope. Not even the most impressive in his division that year. But, using your own stats, I’d say it’s top six over the last decade, which is impressive.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 9:13 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:11 am to TheCaterpillar
My craft? I agreed with the guy for fricks sake.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:22 am to Sean Bean
Both were great backs...while Henry played against tougher defenses, he also had a better supporting offensive cast...
Assuming the stats on cfbstats.com are accurate:
Over the 2015 season, the FBS rushing defenses Fournette faced averaged 67.6; he played 4 teams in the top 50 (all within the top 25, including Bama at 1) and 4 against teams rated 100+ (including the two worst at 127 and 128).
For Henry, the average FBS defense was rated 42.7; he played against 6 teams with a top 25 rushing D (highest was Wisconsin at 4), 10 in the top 50, and 2 that were ranked worse than 100 (highest was 108)...
Against SEC defenses, Fournette averaged 139.3 yards per game while Henry averaged 162.3.
Of Fournette's four 200+ yard games, 1 came against an SEC team and 2 were against teams ranked 100+ in rushing defense; highest rated rushing defense faced in those games was Syracuse at #78. Of Henry's four 200+ yard games, all came against SEC defenses and 1 was against a team ranked 100+ in rushing defense; highest rated rushing defense faced in those was LSU at #17...
Doesn't prove who is/was a better back...as I said before, both were great...but I think Henry had a better season that year, albeit on a better team, and was worthy of the Heisman he won...
Assuming the stats on cfbstats.com are accurate:
Over the 2015 season, the FBS rushing defenses Fournette faced averaged 67.6; he played 4 teams in the top 50 (all within the top 25, including Bama at 1) and 4 against teams rated 100+ (including the two worst at 127 and 128).
For Henry, the average FBS defense was rated 42.7; he played against 6 teams with a top 25 rushing D (highest was Wisconsin at 4), 10 in the top 50, and 2 that were ranked worse than 100 (highest was 108)...
Against SEC defenses, Fournette averaged 139.3 yards per game while Henry averaged 162.3.
Of Fournette's four 200+ yard games, 1 came against an SEC team and 2 were against teams ranked 100+ in rushing defense; highest rated rushing defense faced in those games was Syracuse at #78. Of Henry's four 200+ yard games, all came against SEC defenses and 1 was against a team ranked 100+ in rushing defense; highest rated rushing defense faced in those was LSU at #17...
Doesn't prove who is/was a better back...as I said before, both were great...but I think Henry had a better season that year, albeit on a better team, and was worthy of the Heisman he won...
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 9:25 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:23 am to OldPete
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Doesn't prove who is/was a better back...as I said before, both were great...but I think Henry had a better season that year, albeit on a better team, and was worthy of the Heisman he won...
Basically my feelings as well.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:35 am to cajunbama
Fosters hit had literally nothing to do with it troll, it was literally two years prior and he played bama again before this game. I think the hype and the season he was having led him to get frustrated when things weren’t going his way so he over compensated which led to mistakes. There were multiple times that game he was getting arm tackled by players half his size, that can’t happen. He was def rattled.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:43 am to OldPete
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Doesn't prove who is/was a better back
Nothing ever will - especially in college.
I've always found that ranking things in tiers - be it teams, colleges, players, books, movies, etc. - is the way to go.
Henry and Fournette are both solidified as in that top tier of SEC backs with McFadden and others - really don't need to say much else beyond that IMO.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:45 am to Sean Bean
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Sean Bean
Some are concerned that LF's stats are all padded from weak rushing D's. Ok fine. Here is a comparison of LF and Henry vs common opponents so apples to apples.
To me this is the perfect side by side comparison. You can see how they fared against a good rush D (Florida) and a bad rush D (Auburn - yes that year they were). Clearly LF was better against the same opponents.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:49 am to PurpleandGeauld
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To me this is the perfect side by side comparison. You can see how they fared against a good rush D (Florida) and a bad rush D (Auburn - yes that year they were). Clearly LF was better against the same opponents.
Except Henry, in addition to those games, played LSU, Wisconsin, Clemson and Michigan State. He had huge games in 3 of those 4 against Top 15 teams and Top 25 rush defenses.
So, basically even stats in what you showed against the same opponents. Outside of that, Fournette was shutdown by Alabama and ran wild against bad defenses. Outside of that, Henry had huge games against 3 Top 25 teams.
Kind of absurd to just ignore those in a discussion about "most impressive seasons".
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 9:51 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:50 am to Sean Bean
wgas?
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 9:51 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:54 am to PurpleandGeauld
You're saying that 154 carries for 925 yards, 6.0 YPC, and 10 TDs is clearly better than 194 for 1,122, 5.8 YPC, and 8 TDs?
Clearly you are a homer...
Clearly you are a homer...
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:56 am to OldPete
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You're saying that 154 carries for 925 yards, 6.0 YPC, and 10 TDs is clearly better than 194 for 1,122, 5.8 YPC, and 8 TDs?
And that ignores Henry vs 4 other Top 25 teams and Fournette vs Alabama.
Again, Fournette's total stats were better. Henry's work vs teams with a pulse was a better. Both were/are great players. It's really as simple as that.
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