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re: Is faking an injury coached to give D time to rest / adjust ?
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:06 am to adammwilson
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:06 am to adammwilson
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I'm saying you can't get guys on and off that fast.
And yet the majority of the teams Oregon and A&M play (and most of the Big XII conference) manage to do it just fine. They may not slow those offenses, but they dont have to resort to cramping to get who they want on the field when the rules allow for substitutions.
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Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:10 am to Roger Klarvin
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they dont have to resort to cramping
WHat teams faked cramps?
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:10 am to adammwilson
I guess Florida and LSU just have a bunch of unconditioned, functional retards playing defense. All I can suggest is taking lessons from the 8-9 teams we played that managed to substitute just fine using the rules in place.
Take a look at the Bama game. You can count the number of times their defense wasnt set with a playcall on one hand. They werent having to resort to random cramping to get themselves together.
You argument is invalid if even ONE team is capable of doing it. It's laughably absurd when the teams who cant do it are in the minority.
Take a look at the Bama game. You can count the number of times their defense wasnt set with a playcall on one hand. They werent having to resort to random cramping to get themselves together.
You argument is invalid if even ONE team is capable of doing it. It's laughably absurd when the teams who cant do it are in the minority.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:12 am to Roger Klarvin
Look, all I was saying is it requires a hell of a lot of time to get used to operating that fast when you don't see it every week if you're a defense. Coaching staff included.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:13 am to adammwilson
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You're just not getting it.
Guy runs on field- 3 seconds
Guys tells other guy he is subbed out- 3 seconds
Guys runs off field- 5 seconds
11 seconds and that's being nice. I've seen a&m runs plays quicker than that.
You do realize that defenses usually have code words for packages that are supposed to be on the field, right? This word of mouth bullshite scenario you've concocted is usually only necessary when then defense is discombobulated and ill prepared. Which speaks to poor coaching.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:14 am to TbirdSpur2010
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You do realize that defenses usually have code words for packages that are supposed to be on the field, right?
Yes but assuming only one player is being subbed out due to being tired not a strategical sub.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:15 am to adammwilson
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Look, all I was saying is it requires a hell of a lot of time to get used to operating that fast when you don't see it every week if you're a defense. Coaching staff included.
Then get a better coaching staff. The HUNH is a well known commodity, and that's what they're paid to do--find ways to slow down any offensive philosophy with which they're presented. If they aren't ready, that's on them.
This post was edited on 7/6/13 at 12:18 am
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:16 am to adammwilson
Like i said earlier, either Florida and LSU need to fire their S&C coaches or they were taking dives for the purposes of slowing the ffense and getting their defenses together.
In the Florida game alone there were ten stoppages of play for injuries while A&M was on offense. Only three of those resulted in a player being out more than one play. Agaianst Louisiana Tech, a fricking WAC team, there were three such stoppages and all three players missed at least one full series after the one in which they were hurt.
Against LSU, there were nine stoppages of play and three "Oh we're good? Ok I'll get up on my own" while we were on offense. Two players went down three seperate times and never missed more than two plays.
In the Florida game alone there were ten stoppages of play for injuries while A&M was on offense. Only three of those resulted in a player being out more than one play. Agaianst Louisiana Tech, a fricking WAC team, there were three such stoppages and all three players missed at least one full series after the one in which they were hurt.
Against LSU, there were nine stoppages of play and three "Oh we're good? Ok I'll get up on my own" while we were on offense. Two players went down three seperate times and never missed more than two plays.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:17 am to adammwilson
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Yes but assuming only one player is being subbed out due to being tired not a strategical sub.
Conditioning. It bit a&m in the arse in '11. Overhauled the coaching staff, emphasized conditioning, and ran the whole game in '12.
If your player can't handle the tempo, find one who can or burn a timeout or take a penalty.
Or pussy out and take a dive.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:19 am to TbirdSpur2010
Keep defending you're offensive philosophy. But it sucks. When that crap runs into a fully rested powerhouse, it gets stopped stone cold.
It's not football, it's girlie ball. With your little scat backs and dual threat rootie tooties.
Oh, we got those "packages" down now buddy. Bama and LSU both have a bye week before ATM. That's 2 guaranteed losses right there. Saban has had a year to study that offense.
aTm losses 4 games at least this year.
It's not football, it's girlie ball. With your little scat backs and dual threat rootie tooties.
Oh, we got those "packages" down now buddy. Bama and LSU both have a bye week before ATM. That's 2 guaranteed losses right there. Saban has had a year to study that offense.
aTm losses 4 games at least this year.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:19 am to Roger Klarvin
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Like i said earlier, either Florida and LSU need to fire their S&C coaches or they were taking dives for the purposes of slowing the ffense and getting their defenses together.
In the Florida game alone there were ten stoppages of play for injuries while A&M was on offense. Only three of those resulted in a player being out more than one play. Agaianst Louisiana Tech, a fricking WAC team, there were three such stoppages and all three players missed at least one full series after the one in which they were hurt.
Against LSU, there were nine stoppages of play and three "Oh we're good? Ok I'll get up on my own" while we were on offense. Two players went down three seperate times and never missed more than two plays.
So who did the better coaching job in those 2 games? The team that did what it took to level the playing field or the team that couldn't adjust and lost both games?
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:19 am to adammwilson
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Look, all I was saying is it requires a hell of a lot of time to get used to operating that fast when you don't see it every week if you're a defense. Coaching staff included.
You're essentially arguing against innovation.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:20 am to TbirdSpur2010
All I know is UF left the Aggie tackle box with a win. Whatever excuse Aggies want to make is fine by me.
It seems that the Longhorns are right, Aggies will look for any excuse to forget a defeat.
No matter how successful you are in the SEC, your first game will always be a loss at the Tackle Box.
It seems that the Longhorns are right, Aggies will look for any excuse to forget a defeat.
No matter how successful you are in the SEC, your first game will always be a loss at the Tackle Box.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:21 am to dreaux
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dreaux
Could you cry any more? Jesus christ, just dwi.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:23 am to BloodSweat&Beers
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All I know is UF left the Aggie tackle box with a win. Whatever excuse Aggies want to make is fine by me.
It seems that the Longhorns are right, Aggies will look for any excuse to forget a defeat.
No matter how successful you are in the SEC, your first game will always be a loss at the Tackle Box.
Have you even read the last couple pages? I just got through saying y'all and LSU obviously found a way to stop it. Congratulations. Try to keep up.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:23 am to Tigerdew
How do you adjust to another team faking injuries? Yell at the refs more? Stare down the other coach?
The refs arent the ones to blame here because they are restricted by the rules in place, but to say that a coach needs to "adjust" to something they have literally no control over and cant operate around is absurd.
The refs arent the ones to blame here because they are restricted by the rules in place, but to say that a coach needs to "adjust" to something they have literally no control over and cant operate around is absurd.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:23 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Could you cry any more? Jesus christ, just dwi.
Just funny coming from the guy calling the 2 teams y'all lost to pussies because y'all couldn't win running a conventional offense. Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:24 am to dreaux
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Keep defending you're offensive philosophy. But it sucks. When that crap runs into a fully rested powerhouse, it gets stopped stone cold.
It's not football, it's girlie ball. With your little scat backs and dual threat rootie tooties.
Oh, we got those "packages" down now buddy. Bama and LSU both have a bye week before ATM. That's 2 guaranteed losses right there. Saban has had a year to study that offense.
aTm losses 4 games at least this year.
This has kept you up more than a few nights hasnt it?
Two teams have won national titles running "girlie ball" since LSU last won one and three others made it to the title game.
This post was edited on 7/6/13 at 12:27 am
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:25 am to TbirdSpur2010
Lol. Aggies are so mad in this thread. Even if the defense does suck in the matchup this year, Alabama will easily be able to take on A&M in a shoot out. Amari Cooper will tear A&M a new a-hole if he's on fire with AJ. Your defense is suspect and our team is almost the same as last year except with a superpowered offense. O-Line will be just fine.
As for the tactics, I hate to use this shitty analogy but whatever. Ever heard of feudal Japan? Samurai vs. Ninja on occasion. Samurais were all about honor and head on manly up front tactics. Most of the time that was their Achilles heel which is basically what Alabama did last year. Ninjas were always being cheap, nasty bastards. Trickery, deceit, anything they could. Even if it was considered "pussy". It got the job done. So, even if the faking injuries is looked down upon. It's not illegal due to uncertainty of player actually being injured. So, stop bitching about faking injury and I won't have a problem with the Hurry Up No Balls offense.
Told you it was a shitty analogy btw only thing I could think of relevant to that situation since I just got back from a seminar on that very topic 
As for the tactics, I hate to use this shitty analogy but whatever. Ever heard of feudal Japan? Samurai vs. Ninja on occasion. Samurais were all about honor and head on manly up front tactics. Most of the time that was their Achilles heel which is basically what Alabama did last year. Ninjas were always being cheap, nasty bastards. Trickery, deceit, anything they could. Even if it was considered "pussy". It got the job done. So, even if the faking injuries is looked down upon. It's not illegal due to uncertainty of player actually being injured. So, stop bitching about faking injury and I won't have a problem with the Hurry Up No Balls offense.
Told you it was a shitty analogy btw
only thing I could think of relevant to that situation since I just got back from a seminar on that very topic Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:25 am to Tigerdew
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Just funny coming from the guy calling the 2 teams y'all lost to pussies because y'all couldn't win running a conventional offense.
Now you're just making shite up. I CONGRATULATED y'all for stopping it. Others might have made excuses but not me. Fot God's sake do some actual reading before you try to call someone out
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