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re: Is Brian Kelly an upgrade to Ed Oregon?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 4:25 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 4/11/25 at 4:25 pm to SidewalkTiger
Also, if those two programs were both such dumpster fires devoid of talent when they fired Chizik and O, answer me this.
Why was Malzahn’s most successful season his first when the bulk of the team was made up of Chizik’s recruits? And why has Kelly’s most successful season so far been his first, when over 50% of the roster was still O’s recruits?
Another theme in this thread has been that Chizik and O were able to put together super talented players but were bad coaches. Yet the very first job of a coach is to put together a team with talented players that you need to win. Without the Jimmy’s and Joe’s, it doesn’t matter about the X’s and O’s. And everyone talks about how much more consistent Malzahn and Kelly are than their predecessors. That really is only true when you factor in the bad post championship seasons. How will the Kelly handle winning a national championship? Will he keep his foot on the gas? The same goes for Malzahn, Harsin or Freeze. We don’t know. And we may never know.
I do know this. The vast majority of fans would rather have have this (70% winning percentage):
8-5 Music City bowl loss
9-4 Citrus bowl win
15-0 SEC championship and National championship
6-7 Liberty bowl loss
Than this (75% winning percentage) even though it is a higher overall winning percentage and much more consistent..
9-4 Reliaquest bowl loss
10-3 Citrus bowl win
9-4 Citrus bowl loss
11-2 Gator bowl win
Most fans would take the first scenario because most fans would gladly give up consistency for an occasional national championship.
Why was Malzahn’s most successful season his first when the bulk of the team was made up of Chizik’s recruits? And why has Kelly’s most successful season so far been his first, when over 50% of the roster was still O’s recruits?
Another theme in this thread has been that Chizik and O were able to put together super talented players but were bad coaches. Yet the very first job of a coach is to put together a team with talented players that you need to win. Without the Jimmy’s and Joe’s, it doesn’t matter about the X’s and O’s. And everyone talks about how much more consistent Malzahn and Kelly are than their predecessors. That really is only true when you factor in the bad post championship seasons. How will the Kelly handle winning a national championship? Will he keep his foot on the gas? The same goes for Malzahn, Harsin or Freeze. We don’t know. And we may never know.
I do know this. The vast majority of fans would rather have have this (70% winning percentage):
8-5 Music City bowl loss
9-4 Citrus bowl win
15-0 SEC championship and National championship
6-7 Liberty bowl loss
Than this (75% winning percentage) even though it is a higher overall winning percentage and much more consistent..
9-4 Reliaquest bowl loss
10-3 Citrus bowl win
9-4 Citrus bowl loss
11-2 Gator bowl win
Most fans would take the first scenario because most fans would gladly give up consistency for an occasional national championship.
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Posted on 4/11/25 at 4:33 pm to UFFan
The floridas are feeling a bit confident?
Remember when I told yall years ago
That you were going to struggle for years?
I remember
Posted on 4/11/25 at 4:45 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Larry Coker was a similar type coach.
He was similar in some ways. He won Miami’s last national championship. He was fired after a disappointing 7-6 season. Miami has not really been nationally relevant since he was fired.
Yeah, I guess he was similar to O at LSU and Chizik at Auburn.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:00 pm to captdalton
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Also, if those two programs were both such dumpster fires devoid of talent when they fired Chizik and O, answer me this.
Why was Malzahn’s most successful season his first when the bulk of the team was made up of Chizik’s recruits? And why has Kelly’s most successful season so far been his first, when over 50% of the roster was still O’s recruits?
You keep questioning why Orgeron and Chizik were fired yet here, you just admitted that their successors immediately had more success than they did.
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How will the Kelly handle winning a national championship?
I personally believe he'd retire.
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I do know this. The vast majority of fans would rather have have this (70% winning percentage):
8-5 Music City bowl loss
9-4 Citrus bowl win
15-0 SEC championship and National championship
6-7 Liberty bowl loss
Than this (75% winning percentage) even though it is a higher overall winning percentage and much more consistent..
9-4 Reliaquest bowl loss
10-3 Citrus bowl win
9-4 Citrus bowl loss
11-2 Gator bowl win
Most fans would take the first scenario because most fans would gladly give up consistency for an occasional national championship.
No doubt.
The fact you keep leaving out is that Chizik and Orgeron were no longer competing for championships or even anything close; they were actively cratering their respective programs.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:37 pm to Clark14
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"What time do you want me to leave and what door do you want me out of, brother?".
Which no type A, competitive, locked in head coach would ever say. None of which Ed was. But he was “one of us” and everyone that identifies with that would definitely take the money and run.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:42 pm to captdalton
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And why has Kelly’s most successful season so far been his first, when over 50% of the roster was still O’s recruits?
Because the entirety of college football has changed since BKs first year. So much so that Saban left it. LSU has been a step slow adapting to those changes and I have no doubt BK has been challenged by it also. Many of the older guard of college coaches have been adapting a bit slower.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 6:03 pm to Clark14
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Yeah, Kelly is a steady coach who’s lacking next level success
What?? He's been very adept at winning the Citrus Bowl.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 6:06 pm to UFFan
BK when he got the LSU job wasn't an upgrade over O. In the past sure BK was an upgrade over O. BK simply couldn't turn down the big guaranteed money deal LSU offered.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 6:06 pm to geauxjo
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And why has Kelly’s most successful season so far been his first, when over 50% of the roster was still O’s recruits?
Because the entirety of college football has changed since BKs first year. So much so that Saban left it. LSU has been a step slow adapting to those changes and I have no doubt BK has been challenged by it also. Many of the older guard of college coaches have been adapting a bit slower.
Bill Belichick?
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 7:49 pm to AuburnTigers
did you not see what Coach O did his last two seasons at LSU. I went to school with coach O but it was time for him to go.the Championship and his divorce di him no good.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:31 pm to captdalton
A little context you're missing in that novel:Look at how bad that 2011 Auburn team was against really good teams. With the exception of S. Carolina, they beat bad teams. When they played really good teams, they not only lost, but were blown out. It was a harbinger of things to come.
Without Cam, he was .500.
We've discussed on here many times that Jordan is kind of "meh" to be your stadium's namesake.
Without Cam, he was .500.
We've discussed on here many times that Jordan is kind of "meh" to be your stadium's namesake.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 11:46 pm to UFFan
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But he did end up winning a national title at LSU, while Kelly doesn't seem likely to do.
if you can name a coach that couldn't have won a natty with 2019 LSU then I can name a coach worse than O.
O gets credit for getting Burrow and some other key cogs on board but in terms of actual coaching. yes, BK is much better.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:58 am to captdalton
quote:This sounds more like sarcasm for a school whose new head a coach took over the most talented team in CFB and still managed to lose 4 games.
And both programs have run like well oiled machines since then…
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:00 am to UFFan
Why aren’t you clamoring for Florida to hire him them? Because this obvious troll
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