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re: Is Bama better with a QB like Mac than a QB like Tua?

Posted on 9/30/20 at 11:07 am to
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
13298 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 11:07 am to
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Can you just tell us? I don't know what you're getting at with RB


Meaning, the RB was the "star" of the offense all those other seasons, not the QB. Ingram, Drake, Henry, etc.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
16105 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 11:39 am to
Gotcha. I disagree for 2012 but the rest sure.
Posted by CFFreak
Rjyh, AL
Member since May 2019
8765 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 11:43 am to
You racist POS
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 11:45 am to
Well, Tua did come off the bench and win us the 2017 natty. That said, I do think Bama is at its best with a balanced offense that also keeps the defense fresh. We seem to do very well with guys like Mac calling the shots.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
35743 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 12:33 pm to
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We won a title and a shitpot of games with Tua. Bama's problem last year was more defense related and we were reliant on Tua and the offense.

Tua could do things that were just incredible so I don't see how you can not let that dog hunt.


Alabama lost to LSU because of the offense, not because of the defense.

Tua choked in the majority of good games he started. Greatest QB at Alabama and yet he could never learn how to throw the ball away.

Fumbled on a drive, -7 points. And then made the worst play I've ever seen at Alabama by throwing a fricking interception with 20 seconds left in the half, on first down from his own 26 yard line.

I'll take a QB like Mac who has the balls to stand in the pocket and make throws over Tua every fricking day.

Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 1:11 pm to
The loss to LSU last year was on both the offense and defense. I will say that outside of the 2017 natty when Tua came off the bench and was playing off adrenaline and instinct, he seemed to struggle in the biggest games. He was great against mediocre defenses but became very human against the elite ones. LSU in 2019, Clemson in 2018, UGA 2018, etc. I feel like he would get into his own head at times. Tried too hard to make things happen instead of just letting the game come to him.

We'll see what Mac does in the huge games this year, but he has that sort of "don't give a frick" type vibe to him that AJ, Coker and others have had over the years. I also believe having a more balanced offense this year will do wonders for the defense.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
35743 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 1:59 pm to
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The loss to LSU last year was on both the offense and defense. I will say that outside of the 2017 natty when Tua came off the bench and was playing off adrenaline and instinct, he seemed to struggle in the biggest games. He was great against mediocre defenses but became very human against the elite ones. LSU in 2019, Clemson in 2018, UGA 2018, etc. I feel like he would get into his own head at times. Tried too hard to make things happen instead of just letting the game come to him.

We'll see what Mac does in the huge games this year, but he has that sort of "don't give a frick" type vibe to him that AJ, Coker and others have had over the years. I also believe having a more balanced offense this year will do wonders for the defense.


For the 1st 3 quarters of the game our offense didn't do anything. We had 1 big play and that was the Devonta Smith 75(somewhere in that neighborhood) yard TD pass, where he burned Stingley.

That was basically it for our offense for 3 quarters. The other points we scored was on the Waddle punt return where he was face masked.

Outside that, Tua fumbled without being touched and then threw one of the worst interceptions I've ever seen. 20 seconds left in the half, down by 13. 1st down on your own 26. And this guy throws an interception that is basically the equivalent of a pick 6. We go into the half down by 20 points with LSU getting the ball.

And sure the defense was not up to the normal standard, they abused Shane Lee with wheel routes constantly. However, the defense did not lose this game. The defense is the only reason we had a chance to win at the end.

Coming back out of the half down by 20, it was the defense who stepped up and forced a turnover. The offense did NOTHING in response. The defense held the LSU offense scoreless the entire 3rd quarter.


Even when the offense did start scoring, it wasn't Tua that was making the plays, it was Najee. Go look at the play by play and the 1st 2 drives we score on starting late in the 3rd quarter were both heavily reliant on Najee. Tua had 1 actual drive all game where it was mostly passing. And then another explosive play to DeVonta Smith.

By that point the lack of depth in the defense started to show and LSU started scoring again.

But the fact of the matter is Tua chocked in the biggest games often. Hell even 2nd and 26 was 2nd and 26 because he fricking held onto the ball the play previous taking one of the most terrible sacks I've seen a QB take. 16 freaking yards. Nobody talks about it because of what happens next, but that is the poor decision making that made Tua not good in big games.

Same shite happened with Clemson. Take away the explosive plays and he fell apart.

And it all the time he was at Alabama, apparently Sark couldn't teach him these basic QB talents. Sure I would love to have a guy who can throw the deep ball, have his accuracy and all that. But it doesn't mean shite if you can't even throw the ball away when needed. It doesn't mean shite if you run back 16 yards trying to avoid a sack rather than stepping up in the pocket.

frick him and Sark for their stupid arse Heisman highlight wanting assholes. Team sport. I thought it was fitting Joe Burrow won the Heisman in that game by not trying to be the hero. Just took what he was given, stood in the pocket, took the hits and make the throws while Tua was... well just being Tua.

The things AJ, Coker and Mac Jones do should be the minimum. I never realized just how great AJ's ability to get rid of the ball was until recently when all these other QB's can't fricking do it at all.

Good luck banning me from this forum Crimson Bozo if you happen to be reading.

This post was edited on 9/30/20 at 2:02 pm
Posted by threedog79
Member since Sep 2013
3650 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 2:02 pm to
Serious question, and not to be a troll because I don't follow the NFL at all...just college. Is Tua playing? If he is, how is he doing in the pros? Don't care to google.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31630 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 2:15 pm to
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Serious question, and not to be a troll because I don't follow the NFL at all...just college. Is Tua playing? If he is, how is he doing in the pros? Don't care to google.

Nope, he's a rookie and likely needs time to acclimate to the pro level.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31630 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 2:17 pm to
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I also believe having a more balanced offense this year will do wonders for the defense.
It was so freaking nice to see that offense & running game clicking in the 1st half and to see speed and knowledge back on defense was glorious. The first team looked Bama football from Coach's early days here.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
7371 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 2:34 pm to
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AJ McCarron


Was a high four star QB out of high school with an impressive offer list. In fact, other than Tua and now Bryce Young, he was the highest rated QB Bama has signed.
I would say winning a championship with Greg McElroy and then almost winning another one with a converted running back in Blake Sims is even more impressive.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
10313 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 2:39 pm to
Bama never gave Tua an elite defense while Tua was the starter. That's the difference.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
7371 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 2:39 pm to
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(with a heavily loaded RB backfield


Other than Najee Harris, none of the other running backs have shown anything yet. Maybe later in the season? I would say Alabama's known playmakers are Smith, Harris and of course Waddle. We don't have a tandem at RB like in the past.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
10313 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 2:41 pm to
Bama fans who blame Tua are dumbasses who don't know football. What studs were on the defense while Tua was the starter? Quinnen Williams is the only read stud. Diggs at CB? Raekwon? Those guys were good contributors but weren't studs.
This post was edited on 9/30/20 at 2:42 pm
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
7371 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 2:42 pm to
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Alabama lost to LSU because of the offense, not because of the defense.


Dude, with all due respect, that defense was total shite.
Even after Tua's give away fumble down near the goal line, LSU went 94 yards in like 5 plays. The defense could NOT get a stop when it counted. The same for the AU game.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
10313 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 2:44 pm to
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Dude, with all due respect, that defense was total shite.
Even after Tua's give away fumble down near the goal line, LSU went 94 yards in like 5 plays. The defense could NOT get a stop when it counted. The same for the AU game.


Exactly. We were out there with two freshman LBs and one of those LBs I believe will be transferring out of Bama after this season because he's not talented as the guys who were recruited and signed after him.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
7371 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 2:48 pm to
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Bama fans who blame Tua are dumbasses who don't know football. What studs were on the defense while Tua was the starter? Quinnen Williams is the only read stud. Diggs at CB? Raekwon? Those guys were good contributors but weren't studs


Hear, hear.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 3:00 pm to
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Hell even 2nd and 26 was 2nd and 26 because he fricking held onto the ball the play previous taking one of the most terrible sacks I've seen a QB take. 16 freaking yards.


You do make some good points. I thought we lost the game on that play. I just knew it was over because we'd miss a FG.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
35743 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 3:16 pm to
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Was a high four star QB out of high school with an impressive offer list. In fact, other than Tua and now Bryce Young, he was the highest rated QB Bama has signed.
I would say winning a championship with Greg McElroy and then almost winning another one with a converted running back in Blake Sims is even more impressive.


Brody Croyle was a higher rated QB than Tua.

Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
65704 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 3:18 pm to
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Brody Croyle was a higher rated QB than Tua.






And pretty close to Bryce Young.
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