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re: Is Arkansas's basketball history overrated?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:13 pm to Tigerman97
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:13 pm to Tigerman97
I don’t believe it’s what helped get those recruits. I know it is. Came straight from the recruits mouth.
The data proves you wrong. Check the recruiting rankings. Only two of those top 10 teams won their conference but 6 made the sweet 16 or further.
The data proves you wrong. Check the recruiting rankings. Only two of those top 10 teams won their conference but 6 made the sweet 16 or further.
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Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:13 pm to Golfer1
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Only two of those top 10 teams won their conference but 6 made the sweet 16 or further.
Yep, that is proof.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:15 pm to Tigerman97
The SEC isn’t a deep league. There are 4 good teams. Again if 10/14 teams were good I’d agree but that isn’t the case and also you didn’t have to play the schedule Kentucky did or you don’t win the conference.
You can’t even post the BS you said about players saying winning the Big East was better than a NC. That’s so damn funny to me
You can’t even post the BS you said about players saying winning the Big East was better than a NC. That’s so damn funny to me
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:16 pm to Tigerman97
Well you brought up recruiting vs regular season and tournament success. Go back the last few years and check it out and let me know. It doesn’t agree with you. I hate facts sometimes myself
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:21 pm to Clark14
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I appreciate your honesty, refreshing. Thanks.
You are welcome. But it is not hard to do.
Sure, Arkansas’ program does not compare to Kentucky, North Carolina, or Kansas.
But I would love to have their pedigree and so would almost anyone else.
Similar to Auburn’s football success. No, we are not Oklahoma, USC, or Michigan/Ohio State historically. But we are really good and trying to say we are overrated (historically) is just dumb.
P.S. appreciate the Pearl love. He has been great for us.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:25 pm to Tigerman97
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Agreed. Because it requires a lot of luck.
Winning a Reg Championship isn't easy in a deep league because its tough to beat good teams for 9 or 10 weeks straight.
I mean yeah, but you could probably say the luck thing about a regular season title as well. Sometimes the ball just bounces your way.
In the tournament you're playing 2 games in a weekend with little time to prepare. Everyone is tired but there's more on the line. Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Auburn (not in that order) are all really good teams and have a shot to go far, but other than than you have 6 or 7 decent ones and then a few bad ones. It's hard but it's not ncaa tournament hard.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:30 pm to Golfer1
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The SEC isn’t a deep league.
But then suggest this...
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There are 4 good teams.
In an of itself that is pretty deep considering some conferences, but it also ignores that 4 more teams are worthy of NCAA tournament consideration. And another 2 or so teams would beat 15-20 of the teams that will make the tourney on a neutral court.
Give up this paper argument you are making. An Elite 8 is wonderful but isn't as hard or as prestigious as a Reg conference title in an elite league.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:31 pm to razorjm
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I mean yeah, but you could probably say the luck thing about a regular season title as well. Sometimes the ball just bounces your way.
No way you can say it takes luck (more or equivalent) to win a Reg Championship than a 6 game tourney where another team might slay the better team before you play them.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:35 pm to Tigerman97
Would you be as adamant about this if Auburn didn't win the regular season title?
Another team might slip up and win some games they shouldn't, but that's not always the case. You're playing them all in a 6 game stretch. You're not playing top 5, 10 teams all 18 games in conference. Both are impressive, but there's a reason you don't see John Wooden type runs anymore.
Another team might slip up and win some games they shouldn't, but that's not always the case. You're playing them all in a 6 game stretch. You're not playing top 5, 10 teams all 18 games in conference. Both are impressive, but there's a reason you don't see John Wooden type runs anymore.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:44 pm to razorjm
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Would you be as adamant about this if Auburn didn't win the regular season title?
I've explained my view point. As a fan of Auburn basketball and another school with a top 10-15 type program since the 80's.
Yes, as an Auburn fan sitting in the elite 8 in 2019 I was aware that losing that game would feel less satisfying than winning the 2018 Reg Championship. Making the Final Four did surpass the Reg championship but not by a ton. I have the ability to separate getting hot at the right time from a true season long accomplishment.
I also realize you might have to play chalk. Auburn did it in 2019. I also know many years you don't have to play chalk because the tourney isn't a measure of the best but most deserving in that small window of time. Sometimes the best is most deserving but not always.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:49 pm to Tigerman97
Fair enough. I'll concede to the fact that in certain years a regular season title could be more impressive than a Final Four and/or deep run. Depends on your conference and the draw you received in the tournament. Arkansas did get lucky last year with getting to play Colgate, Texas Tech (I would say they were similar to this year's Alabama and LSU teams) and then Oral Roberts. We put up a good fight against Baylor, but that obviously was the toughest game by far.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 5:13 pm to jchamil
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All I know is I really enjoyed watching the Arkansas-Memphis games in the early 90's when they were still playing in the Coliseum in Memphis. I'd love to see that series make a comeback.
We can thank calipari for canceling that series. He said he did it in order to schedule tougher competition even though we were winning more times than not at that time.
Truth is, Nolan made a living off of recruiting in Memphis and cal wanted that to stop. I understand why he did it and can’t blame him but to slap our program in the face while you’re wimping out pissed me off.
Screw that greaser……
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:16 pm to razorjm
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Fair enough. I'll concede to the fact that in certain years a regular season title could be more impressive than a Final Four and/or deep run.
Finally...reason. It does depend on the conference.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:24 pm to Scoper
Who thinks they’re overrated?
They look pretty good to me.
They look pretty good to me.
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