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re: Insanity in college athletics is going to lead to empty stadiums/arenas within 5 years!
Posted on 4/18/25 at 8:36 pm to FlyDownTheField83
Posted on 4/18/25 at 8:36 pm to FlyDownTheField83
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If your twisted argument is correct then why did the NCAA member institutions violate the rules about paying players over and over and over and over…….? The schools did not follow the NCAA rules because they wanted to buy the better players. They wanted it both ways, …”We do things the right way! We would never pay players…..” is what they say out of one side of their mouth. Then when players are caught with handguns and drugs, or selling textbooks, or getting hundreds of thousands of dollars sent to their parents the schools fight the NCAA investigations in these areas. The schools do not respect the NCAA nor their standards, and the NCAA is not consistent at applying them. It is simply ridiculous to hold them up as a voluntary organization that is trying to uphold some virtuous standards.
None of this has anything to do with the fact the NCAA is completely voluntary by all parties involved.
All you are doing is making an argument for why you believe the NCAA shouldn't have the freedom to regulate itself as it see's fit. People who think they have rights over other people are the actual bad people.
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do not know the value of things, but I respect allowing organizations and people having the right to search for their own value in a free market.
Once again you are in favor of the government regulating the organizations. Sorry lefty, you don't get to label whatever you want as something else as a means to avoid what you actually support.
You support the government telling organizations they aren't allowed to set a standard on who they give scholarships too.
If you supported freedom, you'd be only in favor of schools leaving the NCAA and starting something else. Instead, you decide it's better to force the NCAA.
Would be about like the government saying you're not allowed to take into account how many other dicks a woman has been through before marrying her. Because somehow doing so is an infringement on her freedom.
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Many coaches that were hired in the last decade it was said they supposedly had the the skill to “recruit “ the best players. Now when coaches are hired we hear hardly anything about this “recruiting” skill , because the players want to know how they will be compensated for what they bring to the team. Could it be that money, or the promise of getting them NFL money was what recruited them all along….? I mean that is what I heard Nick Saban say…..
Saban recruited talented players and turned them into elite players. I doubt you remotely understand the concept as you've never been elite at anything you've done in your life.
Why do you think people pay for college? To gain the skills required to have a career where they get paid. And yet for some reason you think this same principle when applied to a football player no longer exists? Someone pays it to learn engineering - well that's no big deal. A football player gets it for free - and they are being robbed?
Do you know why they spend 3 years in college? Because the NFL doesn't want them. Why not? Because the NFL actually doesn't do very much to develop most players. The average NFL career is in itself only 3 years long.
So yeah, people like Saban provided an extremely valuable service. A service in which very few people can provide and he was compensated for it. There is a reason why they choose college rather than paying for their own training, it was a damn good option.
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 8:38 pm
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Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:54 pm to PrattvilleTiger
My young kids are athletic but they are not interested in watching sports on TV. They rather see updated scores on their phones than sit in front of my big screen theater room. Most of their friends are the same. Sports leagues are going to be in trouble getting these kids interested. They just aren’t.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:01 pm to homemadeshine
I hope it does tbh. Maybe it will bring it under control. I missed watching 3 Bama games this year and didn’t bat an eye . Hadn’t missed that many in the last 45 years
Posted on 4/18/25 at 11:18 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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my big screen theater room
Ok.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:54 am to Clark14
Both you guys are correct. The NCAA is a voluntary organization so I get that argument. The problem has always been they don’t enforce their rules. When that continually happens over a 50 year period it ceases being a legit organization.
That's what happened and eventually it took a few people taking it to the courts and saying - “what’s up with this” - see Ed O’Bannon. This is all on the NCAA not having the backbone to investigate their money making/highly successful schools. If they would have put UGA, Bama, Ohio State, etc on probation or given them the death penalty at some point like they did little ole SMU this sport would be much healthier and they would have had the support of more member schools.
Instead, they turned a blind eye to the cheating and they wonder why 90% of the schools want them to die because we’ve had a sport dominated by about 12 programs for the past 50 years.
The new system of the Wild West is exactly what this sport needed and now has. Let everyone participate in the meat market of buying players. That’s why those who had exclusive membership to the bagman system are crying the loudest. Meanwhile, a new generation of coaches who are more business oriented will take over the sport as its less about coaching and more about purchasing.
That's what happened and eventually it took a few people taking it to the courts and saying - “what’s up with this” - see Ed O’Bannon. This is all on the NCAA not having the backbone to investigate their money making/highly successful schools. If they would have put UGA, Bama, Ohio State, etc on probation or given them the death penalty at some point like they did little ole SMU this sport would be much healthier and they would have had the support of more member schools.
Instead, they turned a blind eye to the cheating and they wonder why 90% of the schools want them to die because we’ve had a sport dominated by about 12 programs for the past 50 years.
The new system of the Wild West is exactly what this sport needed and now has. Let everyone participate in the meat market of buying players. That’s why those who had exclusive membership to the bagman system are crying the loudest. Meanwhile, a new generation of coaches who are more business oriented will take over the sport as its less about coaching and more about purchasing.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:00 am to Clark14
He turned down $100k/yr and a starting job to sit the bench for nothing. We visited and tried out at UF before we ever went to Ark. There isn’t a dumb arse excuse anywhere.
You got Scott Starzyk…the best kicker in the country…you worried about my skinny arse kid? Scott could be your starting punter, kicker, and KOS. I was at the tryouts. Neither Scott nor my son missed a kick all day. First thing my son said after…Scott didn’t miss. I asked did you, he said no…well you’re fine then.
My son got an Ole Miss offer that morning in the hotel right before the Ark tryout. Nuts.
You got Scott Starzyk…the best kicker in the country…you worried about my skinny arse kid? Scott could be your starting punter, kicker, and KOS. I was at the tryouts. Neither Scott nor my son missed a kick all day. First thing my son said after…Scott didn’t miss. I asked did you, he said no…well you’re fine then.
My son got an Ole Miss offer that morning in the hotel right before the Ark tryout. Nuts.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:05 am to RunningJacket
You make a lot of good points Jacket. It is absolutely true that the NCAA did not regulate the sport/business of college football in any fair manner.
My point that I keep trying to make to 3down10 is that the destruction of the current landscape of college football should be laid at the feet of the NCAA and the “great” coaches like Saban. They knew what was happening and turned a blind eye to it so they could keep making millions off these kids. There is no way this system could keep going as it was.
I am also interested to see what business models take shape and provide the model programs for the years to come.
My point that I keep trying to make to 3down10 is that the destruction of the current landscape of college football should be laid at the feet of the NCAA and the “great” coaches like Saban. They knew what was happening and turned a blind eye to it so they could keep making millions off these kids. There is no way this system could keep going as it was.
I am also interested to see what business models take shape and provide the model programs for the years to come.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:12 am to 3down10
The NCAA can regulate themselves as they see fit, ….they have,….and look at what is happening…….. If you applied your supposedly high standards to the NCAA then you would recognize it is a failed organization. But no,…..you want to cry, and whine, and be a giant baby.
Wahhhhhh, the government is being mean,…….wahhhhhhh,……I will not change anything I am doing,…….wahhhhhhhh
On the subject of Saban, he was a great coach with a great system. He absolutely helped develop players, and showed them the wisdom of hard work and discipline. However, he participated in, and continues to defend a system that was unfair and led to this mess we are in now. In that regard he is a hypocrite. All of these things can be true and some mature people are able to recognize this.
Now go back to whining and crying some more….
Wahhhhhh, the government is being mean,…….wahhhhhhh,……I will not change anything I am doing,…….wahhhhhhhh
On the subject of Saban, he was a great coach with a great system. He absolutely helped develop players, and showed them the wisdom of hard work and discipline. However, he participated in, and continues to defend a system that was unfair and led to this mess we are in now. In that regard he is a hypocrite. All of these things can be true and some mature people are able to recognize this.
Now go back to whining and crying some more….
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:19 am to FlyDownTheField83
Yeah, we agree. The minute the king of the bagman system realized everyone could buy players he quit. It was perfect for timing for him due to age anyway. I can see a guy like Kiffen tearing up this new era because he hasn’t been ripping on players for leaving and knows the bagman system sales pitch which will help in this new meat market.
I hope it stays like this because the minute a cap is introduced we will be right back to back door dark money deals. This is actually a perfect system once fans get over their need to pretend they care about following a player from year to year. They are all essentially 6 month contracts with portal periods in December and April.
My team signed our first ever 5 star last cycle all because we could offer him a bag. 3 years ago he’d be at Clemson or UGA right now. Today we signed the highest rates DB in the portal from Penn State due to a legal bag. That’s 2 high end players we would never have had even if they both portal out in December. I’m perfectly fine with e watching different players every fall because under the old system I could watch a player for 4 years and we’d still lose. That’s not fun. I’d much rather lose with a core of players who are loyal and a handful of high level mercenaries.
But I’m sure they’ll mess this opportunity up too and create a system that will once again benefit cheaters and the next generation of fans will eat it up like the past generation believes their wins are in the level.
I hope it stays like this because the minute a cap is introduced we will be right back to back door dark money deals. This is actually a perfect system once fans get over their need to pretend they care about following a player from year to year. They are all essentially 6 month contracts with portal periods in December and April.
My team signed our first ever 5 star last cycle all because we could offer him a bag. 3 years ago he’d be at Clemson or UGA right now. Today we signed the highest rates DB in the portal from Penn State due to a legal bag. That’s 2 high end players we would never have had even if they both portal out in December. I’m perfectly fine with e watching different players every fall because under the old system I could watch a player for 4 years and we’d still lose. That’s not fun. I’d much rather lose with a core of players who are loyal and a handful of high level mercenaries.
But I’m sure they’ll mess this opportunity up too and create a system that will once again benefit cheaters and the next generation of fans will eat it up like the past generation believes their wins are in the level.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:45 am to homemadeshine
Stadiums are too big now for most schools. Football 70,000 basketball 10,000 seems about right
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:08 am to RunningJacket
My team signed our first ever 5 star last cycle all because we could offer him a bag
Gibbs wasn’t a five star?
Gibbs wasn’t a five star?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:09 am to homemadeshine
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when there is absolutely no loyalty by the players
Recruit better. A lot of that falls on the culture of the program and characteristics that were over looked in the recruiting process.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:22 am to bamabaseballsec
Gibbs was not a 5 star. And nobody recruited him outside of GT until he blew up his junior year. When all the bagmen showed up his senior year he stuck to GT because he’s a solid dude. No one blames him for taking the bag at Bama later because our coach sucked as did our OLine.
Calvin Johnson wasn’t even a 5 star although the ranking game was just getting started. It shows how this star system isn’t the end all be all.
Calvin Johnson wasn’t even a 5 star although the ranking game was just getting started. It shows how this star system isn’t the end all be all.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:28 am to homemadeshine
Raising ticket prices to pay for these players is what’s going to keep fans from attending.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:31 am to RunningJacket
Gibbs was not a 5 star. And nobody recruited him outside of GT until he blew up his junior year.
He wasn’t a five star, thought he was, but he definitely was recruited by other schools than gt, bama lsu and Florida all offered, amongst others
He wasn’t a five star, thought he was, but he definitely was recruited by other schools than gt, bama lsu and Florida all offered, amongst others
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:26 am to bamabaseballsec
Yes, but they offered late. GT was on him in 9th grade when the big boys were saying he was too small and didn’t fit the mold they were looking for. Gibbs remembered that and when they all showed up his senior year when he turned into a freak he stayed loyal. Recruiting is a long game a lot of times but I fully acknowledge that today it’s all about the cash.
Usually teams like Bama and UGA can show up late and the offer is accepted quickly which is what the casual fan sees or reads about. Take Calvin Johnson for instance. He was barely recruited because he and his parents both said he’s going to GT from the jump so here was a Hall of Famer that was barely recruited at all. Gailey had locked him down in 10th grade.
Usually teams like Bama and UGA can show up late and the offer is accepted quickly which is what the casual fan sees or reads about. Take Calvin Johnson for instance. He was barely recruited because he and his parents both said he’s going to GT from the jump so here was a Hall of Famer that was barely recruited at all. Gailey had locked him down in 10th grade.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:35 am to FlyDownTheField83
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The NCAA can regulate themselves as they see fit, ….they have,….and look at what is happening…….. If you applied your supposedly high standards to the NCAA then you would recognize it is a failed organization. But no,…..you want to cry, and whine, and be a giant baby.
Wahhhhhh, the government is being mean,…….wahhhhhhh,……I will not change anything I am doing,…….wahhhhhhhh
This is obviously not true since they are being told they have to accept players who are being paid by other entitles.
The only person that has been making emotional arguments is you. From your reasons on why you think it's justified to remove the freedom from the NCAA, to your "arguments" now.
If the NCAA is a failed organization, then it would be up to the schools to leave it and form an alternative. It is not an invitation to use government.
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On the subject of Saban, he was a great coach with a great system. He absolutely helped develop players, and showed them the wisdom of hard work and discipline. However, he participated in, and continues to defend a system that was unfair and led to this mess we are in now. In that regard he is a hypocrite. All of these things can be true and some mature people are able to recognize this.
More emotional arguments about how you believe the NCAA is mean and unfair and thus the government is justified in their actions.
As a mature person, when I don't like something I don't participate.
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Now go back to whining and crying some more….
Like every shitty leftist in history you accuse everyone else of the things you do.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:37 am to RunningJacket
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My team signed our first ever 5 star last cycle all because we could offer him a bag.
You won't keep him.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:52 am to 3down10
No emotional arguments from me, just calling it like it is.
You are the one accusing me of being all sorts of things that I am not, compounding that with the other lies and falsehoods you proclaim. Your hysteria is showing as you go on and on and on.
The NCAA used the name image and likeness of those kids for YEARS, and made money off it. You are the one that thinks it is okay to do this because they had an opportunity to get a college degree (which realistically very few of them wanted) and some other perks that amounted to something like $50k to $100k. The NCAA also used their virtual monopoly on being a farm system to the NFL in order to force the players to accept their requirements. After the Ed O’bannon case it became okay to talk about what everyone knew was going on, and some players saw they could get more of what the market said they were worth. Now a college QB at big time D1 program is getting 1 million a year at least, that is what the schools want to pay, that is what the players want to get, and that is more than ten times what they got before.
So you can keep your head stuck in the sand and watch as the real world goes on without you.
You are the one accusing me of being all sorts of things that I am not, compounding that with the other lies and falsehoods you proclaim. Your hysteria is showing as you go on and on and on.
The NCAA used the name image and likeness of those kids for YEARS, and made money off it. You are the one that thinks it is okay to do this because they had an opportunity to get a college degree (which realistically very few of them wanted) and some other perks that amounted to something like $50k to $100k. The NCAA also used their virtual monopoly on being a farm system to the NFL in order to force the players to accept their requirements. After the Ed O’bannon case it became okay to talk about what everyone knew was going on, and some players saw they could get more of what the market said they were worth. Now a college QB at big time D1 program is getting 1 million a year at least, that is what the schools want to pay, that is what the players want to get, and that is more than ten times what they got before.
So you can keep your head stuck in the sand and watch as the real world goes on without you.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:25 pm to homemadeshine
It's easy for me to overlook a lot of the bullshite right now because my team is winning championships. At such time we return to mediocrity, I can definitely see myself give much less of a shite than I did when we were mediocre before.
You can see it on our board too. Every year during Spring Practice there's a 20 page thread with daily news bits, rumors, etc. This Spring, zero. The thread didn't even exist.
You also saw Spring Game attendance across all of football take a nose dive this year.
SIAP, didn't feel like reading all 5 pages.
You can see it on our board too. Every year during Spring Practice there's a 20 page thread with daily news bits, rumors, etc. This Spring, zero. The thread didn't even exist.
You also saw Spring Game attendance across all of football take a nose dive this year.
SIAP, didn't feel like reading all 5 pages.
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