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re: In Favor Of Scrapping Permanent Cross Division Games?
Posted on 8/16/19 at 3:06 pm to UKWildcats
Posted on 8/16/19 at 3:06 pm to UKWildcats
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Bingo...four schools are tying up the other ten with their stubborness. UA/UT and AU/UGA can deal with having an occasional off year playing each other. Id like to see Arkansas and Ole Miss more than once every six years. They can get the frick over waiting a year.
If the other 10 schools are stupid enough to push for this, it would fully cement where the best 4 universities in the conference are...
There are better ways of getting at your desired outcome of more frequent matchups between teams that you don't play enough that don't have significant downsides as referenced in my last post.
It makes frick-all sense to end the DSOR or TSIO in order to play Arkansas or Miss St one year earlier in rotation for SEC East teams, or Vandy, UK, Mizzou or whoever for West teams.
Most teams have about 3-4 games in conference that they would say they care about... Pods gives us 3 consistent opponents every year, + every team played once in a 2 year period, and home + away in a 4 year period.
I've yet to see a compelling case for any scheduling change that is better than this, and the only knocks against it are 1) disagreement on the ideal 3 team pairings and 2) requires confirming with the NCAA that we can keep the SECCG with the pod shift (even though it's still possible to retain divisions this way, probably best to confirm that they don't object).
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 3:17 pm
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Posted on 8/16/19 at 3:31 pm to Uncle Don
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Hell the west needs to be busted up. A team outside the state of Alabama has won it once since 2008. Maybe Auburn and Alabama need to just play each other for the state championship then play the best of the rest for the SEC Championship
What?!?
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UF, BAMA! AU, LSU, BAMA, BAMA, AU, BAMA, BAMA, BAMA, UGA, BAMA
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UF, BAMA, AU, BAMA, BAMA, FSU, OSU, BAMA, CLEM, BAMA, CLEM
Posted on 8/16/19 at 3:58 pm to USCrown
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I respect the historical significance
I don't.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 4:00 pm to LouisvilleKat
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I don't think either Kentucky or Miss State fans see each other as a game of major importance,
I don't. IN fact, i usually jump on the UK bandwagon in football.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 4:10 pm to Stretch Suba
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Ky and MSU like playing each other rather than tougher SEC foes
Not true.
We already A&M on the schedule.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 8/16/19 at 4:10 pm to USCrown
They put it to a vote. It got voted down.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 4:26 pm to E.Hubble
I know. It would disrupt the balance presently. That realignment would only work if/when the Big 12 finishes imploding and if we added a couple teams like Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the West along with Missouri moving over.
My original post wasn't meant to finagle out of a tough West division. Rather it's just a brainstorm to get rid of the perm cross-division games while preserving those few games that some of you can't do without.
My original post wasn't meant to finagle out of a tough West division. Rather it's just a brainstorm to get rid of the perm cross-division games while preserving those few games that some of you can't do without.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 4:38 pm to droliver
If the TSIO died today, I wouldn't shed a tear.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 4:47 pm to StopRobot
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They put it to a vote. It got voted down
What got put to a vote? Moving to a 9 game conference schedule or doing away with permanent cross-division rivals?
I can see the downside of moving to a 9 game conference schedule, however I don't see why we couldn't do away with the current permanent game structure and increase rotation. Maybe the pod idea, or maybe allow those teams to fill in an OOC slot.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 5:03 pm to EasterEgg
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My original post wasn't meant to finagle out of a tough West division
Sure
Posted on 8/16/19 at 5:11 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Bingo...four schools are tying up the other ten with their stubborness.
bullshite. It was voted on in 2014. The league voted to keep them and it wasnt four votes
LINK
Posted on 8/16/19 at 5:26 pm to StopRobot
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Bullsh*t. It was voted on in 2014. The league voted to keep them and it wasnt four votes
LSU AD Joe Alleva was vocal in his opposition of Sunday's decision.
"I understand Alabama-Tennessee and Auburn-Georgia for the history, but that's only four schools. The rest were voting in their own self-interest. They could have kept those games and the rest of us rotated. That was brought up but voted down."
Interesting statements from Joe Alleva...I guess if nothing has changed and schools will keep voting for their own self interest vs the benefit of the conference :ie playing forced rivalry games, keeping permanent opponent that is perceived as being weaker for easy win, etc...then maybe nothing will change.
With that said, that was 5 years ago. Things change, people change. Going 12 and 14 years before getting a return game from an opponent seems pretty ridiculous. There has to be a smarter way to accomplish both goals.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 5:35 pm to droliver
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Just take the top 2 to the SECCG
How exactly are you gonna choose the "top 2 teams"?
Some years MIGHT be obvious and others not so much.3 way tie for first? 2 way tie for 2nd?The last thing I want is a group of AD's deciding or a poll.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 5:37 pm to USCrown
CFB is cyclical. Different teams will be on top in a few years. Anything that adds a tougher in conference game to the schedule is bad for national championship prospects of the SEC overall.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 5:42 pm to fibonaccisquared
quote:Thats a whole lot of blather to support your side. Heres my side.
If the other 10 schools are stupid enough to push for this, it would fully cement where the best 4 universities in the conference are...
There are better ways of getting at your desired outcome of more frequent matchups between teams that you don't play enough that don't have significant downsides as referenced in my last post.
It makes frick-all sense to end the DSOR or TSIO in order to play Arkansas or Miss St one year earlier in rotation for SEC East teams, or Vandy, UK, Mizzou or whoever for West teams.
Most teams have about 3-4 games in conference that they would say they care about... Pods gives us 3 consistent opponents every year, + every team played once in a 2 year period, and home + away in a 4 year period.
I've yet to see a compelling case for any scheduling change that is better than this, and the only knocks against it are 1) disagreement on the ideal 3 team pairings and 2) requires confirming with the NCAA that we can keep the SECCG with the pod shift (even though it's still possible to retain divisions this way, probably best to confirm that they don't object).
10 schools dont care to have perms. 4 do.
Occam's Razor.
Carry on buttercup.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 8/16/19 at 5:44 pm to chillmonster
quote:A little presumptuous there Georgia.
CFB is cyclical. Different teams will be on top in a few years. Anything that adds a tougher in conference game to the schedule is bad for national championship prospects of the SEC overall.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 6:03 pm to USCrown
#1 - You should know that 9 or 10 SEC games HURTS USC, UGA, UF, & UK due to our non-state ACC rival. Going to 9 games mean you would have to host the ACC team to get 5 H games MIN.. Therefore, this leaves you 2 slots to schedule anybody. 10 games gives you only 1 slot.
#2 - 14 teams CAN NOT go division-less. Besides, you would need numerous tie-breakers to rank teams due to lack of common opponents. Lastly, DSOR & TSIO (maybe others) WILL NOT be played as non-conf. games; they're SEC teams & will be treated as SEC games.
IF you want to check this "path", only keeping some c-d games & trashing the rest makes the current rotation looks like HEAVEN compared to the mess you would end up with.
#3 - Good luck getting this to fly with the NCAA.
#4 - (Not mentioned, but) reducing the size of conferences would create MORE conferences. Do we want to return to what we had before? Besides, HOW would the CFP be redesigned?
#2 - 14 teams CAN NOT go division-less. Besides, you would need numerous tie-breakers to rank teams due to lack of common opponents. Lastly, DSOR & TSIO (maybe others) WILL NOT be played as non-conf. games; they're SEC teams & will be treated as SEC games.
IF you want to check this "path", only keeping some c-d games & trashing the rest makes the current rotation looks like HEAVEN compared to the mess you would end up with.
#3 - Good luck getting this to fly with the NCAA.
#4 - (Not mentioned, but) reducing the size of conferences would create MORE conferences. Do we want to return to what we had before? Besides, HOW would the CFP be redesigned?
Posted on 8/16/19 at 6:05 pm to SmokeTide
When did Aub. start pushing for it?
Posted on 8/16/19 at 6:07 pm to BoerneAg
Give me a 9 game schedule that works for all INCLUDING: UGA/GT, UF/FSU, UK/UL, & USC/CU yearly.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 6:10 pm to EasterEgg
LSU would love to be TOP DOG on the SECW with that setup.
BTW, Vandy ain't going anywhere without TN. So that would be:
LSU
Mizz.
Ky.
Ark.
TA&M
Miss.
MSU
Real tough battles for y'all!
BTW, Vandy ain't going anywhere without TN. So that would be:
LSU
Mizz.
Ky.
Ark.
TA&M
Miss.
MSU
Real tough battles for y'all!
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