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re: IF the SEC went to 16, who should we add?
Posted on 5/11/13 at 10:25 pm to nc14
Posted on 5/11/13 at 10:25 pm to nc14
Samford? You are seriously underestimating ECU. They rank 43 out of all FbS programs in attendance that's greater than 18 sec, acc, big, big12, and PAC teams. The also fill 94% of thier capacity. That's the best in all of North Carolina. In comparison UK draws 49500 a game , compared to ECU at 47000, but Kentucky is only 74% full. ECU is not Samford, you just have to see the potential
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 11:05 pm to 3rddownonthe8
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You are seriously underestimating ECU.
I'm seriously calling them a "directional school."
And we don't have directional schools in the SEC.
Others are right. We go into new markets. Pluck a school out of North Carolina and Virginia. Preferably the "U of" in both.
Some people automatically go to Va Tech but that would be like picking Auburn over Alabama and NOBODY would do that.
Posted on 5/11/13 at 11:17 pm to Grievous Angel
The directional school thing is old thinking.
Would it be nice to get UNC. Yes, put we can't , The GOR deal will not allow it. You seriously would rather take UNC getting Zero money till 2027. Over ECU that gets you into Charlotte, Asheville, Greenville, and Southern VA. Just because they have east in thier name. The game has changed. FSU was no one in the early 80's, VA tech in the early 90's, Boise state in 2000's, whose to say ECU's not next. They have the following and access to the markets the SEC wants. And you're problem is that there are no directional schools in the SEC? Ok
Would it be nice to get UNC. Yes, put we can't , The GOR deal will not allow it. You seriously would rather take UNC getting Zero money till 2027. Over ECU that gets you into Charlotte, Asheville, Greenville, and Southern VA. Just because they have east in thier name. The game has changed. FSU was no one in the early 80's, VA tech in the early 90's, Boise state in 2000's, whose to say ECU's not next. They have the following and access to the markets the SEC wants. And you're problem is that there are no directional schools in the SEC? Ok
This post was edited on 5/11/13 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 5/11/13 at 11:19 pm to EvilVodka
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I would like to see it divided based on division....SEC West should get to pick a team, and SEC East should get to pick a team
How bout giving us some REALISTIC choices on who the SEC can get??? They're not getting a ACC school anytime soon. Realistically the Big 12, Conf USA, Big East are the teams the SEC can choose from. So on that note, OU, OKie State, or another Texas school.
Posted on 5/11/13 at 11:23 pm to 3rddownonthe8
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Just because they have east in thier name.
Exactly. This isn't the Sun Belt. This is the SEC. Prestige matters.
Let the Big East take the directional schools. We'll take the big fish.
Run down the roster of SEC teams and add "ECU." Which one looks out of place?
We want the premier programs from every participating state we have and for the most part we have it.
And I had to look up this GOR thing--haven't been keeping up. Fine, go away from the ACC. Or stick to 14.
This post was edited on 5/11/13 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 5/11/13 at 11:30 pm to bayou2003
The big 12 has a GOR or has everyone forgotten that? The only expansion available is conf USA, AAC( big east). Or lower or independent
Posted on 5/11/13 at 11:35 pm to Grievous Angel
That's just it all the conferences will have to expand. Especially the SEC. The new network deal requires a ton of inventory (games ). That means adding a 9th game ( which actually lowers inventory) or expanding. Of the 5 major conferences only the SEC doesn't gave a GOR.
By the way a lot of experts think ECU is the perfect choice. Other than the East part it gets you everything you want.
By the way a lot of experts think ECU is the perfect choice. Other than the East part it gets you everything you want.
Posted on 5/12/13 at 4:58 am to 3rddownonthe8
What experts? And what is everything we want?
Greenville is not that great and it's a long way from anywhere. If market is what you are talking about they do not have that great of a following outside of Greenville. It is highly commuter school with solid community support. Not anything close to being an SEC school.
Greenville is not that great and it's a long way from anywhere. If market is what you are talking about they do not have that great of a following outside of Greenville. It is highly commuter school with solid community support. Not anything close to being an SEC school.
Posted on 5/12/13 at 5:52 am to nc14
Just woke up so I can't put my explain my thougts but what if we added u of Houston (west)and duke(east)
Posted on 5/12/13 at 5:58 am to EvilVodka
id be down with moving mizzou to the west and adding unc and virginia to the east
This post was edited on 5/12/13 at 5:59 am
Posted on 5/12/13 at 6:17 am to nc14
It doesn't give you just Greenville, it gives up all of North Csrolina including Charlotte and southern VA. , VA Beach and Norfolk.
I'm not saying they are my first choice, I personally would like UNC and Duke, that makes the SEC instantly one of the top Basketball conferences and now makes the SEC network even more lucrative. But that just don't happening with the ACC new deal.
Houston is also a great move , but I fully expect the big xii to move on them before next year.
I'm not saying they are my first choice, I personally would like UNC and Duke, that makes the SEC instantly one of the top Basketball conferences and now makes the SEC network even more lucrative. But that just don't happening with the ACC new deal.
Houston is also a great move , but I fully expect the big xii to move on them before next year.
Posted on 5/12/13 at 6:26 am to 3rddownonthe8
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The big 12 has a GOR or has everyone forgotten that? The only expansion available is conf USA, AAC( big east). Or lower or independent
With VA and NC being targets, you might have to consider ECU and ODU.(moving up to 1-A and in the VA recruiting hotbed) I hate ODU, and wanted UVA, but they are the best option from VA at this point.
Posted on 5/12/13 at 6:49 am to aTm's conference now
Yeah I read this, it's his opinion and a theory. Would a school take that risk or is it worth the SEC to. It's all about markets and footprint. The only sure way to expand from one of the other 4 conferences , is for one of thier networks to fail horribly and lose money. I just don't think they is going to happen in the next 3 years. I think all of the conferences are going to want to be at 16 to maximize thier networks snd the playoff picture.
Posted on 5/12/13 at 7:04 am to aTm's conference now
Thank you, not like contracts aren't broken/dissolved every day.
ECU doesn't get us the whole state, no clue what you even mean. Charlotte barely cares about Panthers/ Bobcats, think they will jump on ECU bus? The media in this state has very little CFB coverage, it's a joke.
ECU doesn't get us the whole state, no clue what you even mean. Charlotte barely cares about Panthers/ Bobcats, think they will jump on ECU bus? The media in this state has very little CFB coverage, it's a joke.
Posted on 5/12/13 at 7:09 am to 3rddownonthe8
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ECU that gets you into Charlotte, Asheville, Greenville, and Southern VA. Just because they have east in thier name...
So I guess fan entertainment value is an absurd consideration anymore...?
I'm so sick of people listing teams to add to the conference due to markets.
Some of us are still interested in watching entertaining football games, and don't give a shite about 'footprint'.
Posted on 5/12/13 at 7:23 am to mrnegative
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Just woke up so I can't put my explain my thougts but what if we added u of Houston (west)and duke(east)
Posted on 5/12/13 at 7:34 am to WildTchoupitoulas
That's. great maybe you'll be on the short list to replace Slive? Because the ones that run the conference do. I generally do not care if the sec expands or not, in just being realistic. It's going to. And viable options are limited now.
Contracts are broken everyday, that's true. But they are generally not worth a .25 billion dollars, and that's what your talking about with an acc team. 13 years at apex 20m per.
Contracts are broken everyday, that's true. But they are generally not worth a .25 billion dollars, and that's what your talking about with an acc team. 13 years at apex 20m per.
Posted on 5/12/13 at 7:54 am to aTm's conference now
I'm not a legal expert either , but this is the one guy who thinks it possible. Other opinions don't think so, the talking heads. So either it's pretty locked up and not breakable , or they "presidents and media " don't want it broken. And very possibly is the later, but the end game is the same.
Posted on 5/12/13 at 8:59 am to EvilVodka
UNC and Duke.
Posted on 5/12/13 at 9:04 am to EvilVodka
But in reality, we should stay at 14. The only threat to SEC dominance are Oklahoma, tu, Miami, FSU, and Clemson. Keeping those teams in their weakened and marginalized conference is good for us. Especially with the 8 team playoff and autobid for conference champs looming. At that point those teams will be revitalized, and too large of a conference will really hurt us.
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