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re: Id say 2012 bama National championship was the most accomplished bama team
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:18 am to Diego Ricardo
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:18 am to Diego Ricardo
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If only Alabama got to play SoCal and Kent State or SCAR and Vandy then they could’ve been 15-0 and the best team of all-time but alas. lmao
If only 2019 LSU could replace Texas, NWST, Georgia Southern, and Utah State with 2 bottom tier SEC teams (since they beat the best ones) and go 10-0 in muh all SEC schedule in a pandemic season. See how that works?
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 11:19 am
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:20 am to GCTiger11
They grasp straws with hypotheticals not absolutes.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:21 am to GCTiger11
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Maybe 5th time's the charm, because everytime I ask this, I get no response.
Why is it assumed 2019 LSU, if transported to the 2020 Covid Season and given the schedule Bama faced, couldn't have put similar numbers as Alabama this year?
And the opposite? Why is that y’all try to assume if bama 20 was transported back they wouldn’t compete with 19 LSU? That is essentially the argument I responded to in your quote of mine.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:21 am to topcat88
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They grasp straws with hypotheticals not absolutes.
Just like y’all have been doing. It’s been comical as an outsider.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:21 am to topcat88
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LSU beat better teams and in hostile environments. Bama did not. End of discussion. Maybe if Bama would have played a full slate in a regular season we could have this discussion, but unfortunately for them we can't.
'Guess you're right, season didn't matter', never echoed by your former coach.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:25 am to NYCAuburn
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why is that y’all try to assume if bama 20 was transported back they wouldn’t compete with 19 LSU?
Because, given not as tough competition, Alabama's numbers look super similar to 2019 LSU's. And I never said they wouldn't be able to compete. I'm pretty sure they would lol
There is a reason you're so hyperfocused on the bottom of the barrel when it comes to LSU's schedule last year and opposed to the best teams they beat
"Georgia technically had a better defense than any Ala-"
"mUH UTAH STATE"
"Clemson also had a better de-
"MUH NORTHWESTERN STATE"
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 11:37 am
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:28 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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LSU lost to clempson in the peach bowl that year, but prolly would have been much more focused in the championship
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:30 am to geauxnavybeatbama
Got into the replies and haven’t even answered the topic’s prompt:
No, 2012 was not the most accomplished Alabama team but it was my choice for the best team of the Saban era until 2020. The ‘20 Alabama squad won more individual awards, won the big individual honor (Heisman), went undefeated, won the SEC, and won the national title.
Doug Nussmeier had a bad problem of losing the plot on offense. Dude must’ve had a man crush on AJ McCarron because he insisted on trying to win him a Heisman when a 7ypc rush was available any time he wanted it with that OL. I think his tendency to this cost the 2012 team an undefeated season v. TAMU, made the 2012 UGA game much closer than it ought to have been judging by their inability to stop the run the entire 2nd half, and arguably cost Alabama a 3peat in the 2013 Iron Bowl.
2012 Alabama starting offense was 11 NFL rostered players who started at least 1 game in the pros plus a few others in the regular rotation at RB and WR who also played and starred for a time in the NFL. Nussmeier frankly mismanaged that offense and that is why he was given the polite pink slip (given a chance to find “new opportunities”).
Pete Golding may be the 2020 analogue for Doug Nussmeier, Despite me not being a fan of Pete, I recognize that the defense did find some things it could do well over the season and married them to playing complimentary football w/ the offense. Doug was mismanaging the centerpiece of that squad because the defense took a talent and experience step back after 2011.
So just from an on-field perspective, 2020 did a better job of maximizing it’s strengths and masking it’s weaknesses than 2012. They found a way to not lose a game that hung in the balance this year. No 2014 or 2015 Ole Miss games or 2012 Aggy game in this bunch because the staff got the most out of the roster in every game even if it wasn’t always pretty (but often it was).
No, 2012 was not the most accomplished Alabama team but it was my choice for the best team of the Saban era until 2020. The ‘20 Alabama squad won more individual awards, won the big individual honor (Heisman), went undefeated, won the SEC, and won the national title.
Doug Nussmeier had a bad problem of losing the plot on offense. Dude must’ve had a man crush on AJ McCarron because he insisted on trying to win him a Heisman when a 7ypc rush was available any time he wanted it with that OL. I think his tendency to this cost the 2012 team an undefeated season v. TAMU, made the 2012 UGA game much closer than it ought to have been judging by their inability to stop the run the entire 2nd half, and arguably cost Alabama a 3peat in the 2013 Iron Bowl.
2012 Alabama starting offense was 11 NFL rostered players who started at least 1 game in the pros plus a few others in the regular rotation at RB and WR who also played and starred for a time in the NFL. Nussmeier frankly mismanaged that offense and that is why he was given the polite pink slip (given a chance to find “new opportunities”).
Pete Golding may be the 2020 analogue for Doug Nussmeier, Despite me not being a fan of Pete, I recognize that the defense did find some things it could do well over the season and married them to playing complimentary football w/ the offense. Doug was mismanaging the centerpiece of that squad because the defense took a talent and experience step back after 2011.
So just from an on-field perspective, 2020 did a better job of maximizing it’s strengths and masking it’s weaknesses than 2012. They found a way to not lose a game that hung in the balance this year. No 2014 or 2015 Ole Miss games or 2012 Aggy game in this bunch because the staff got the most out of the roster in every game even if it wasn’t always pretty (but often it was).
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:31 am to GCTiger11
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If only 2019 LSU could replace Texas, NWST, Georgia Southern, and Utah State with 2 bottom tier SEC teams (since they beat the best ones) and go 10-0 in muh all SEC schedule in a pandemic season. See how that works?
Yes and similarly it is irrelevant to proving the quality of either team which was my point.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:34 am to Diego Ricardo
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Yes and similarly it is irrelevant to proving the quality of either team which was my point.
Okay now that we are splitting hairs with the bottom of the schedule (LSU's creampuffs vs Alabama's shitty SEC opponents) why does nobody want to compare the better teams of both team's schedule?
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:38 am to GCTiger11
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Because, given not as tough competition,
it’s like a broken record of hypocrisy. quote:
There is a reason you're so hyperfocused on the bottom of the barrel when it comes to LSU's schedule last year and opposed to the best teams they beat
I’m hyper focused?
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:41 am to topcat88
Lol.
2 x LSU fans and an AU fan debating against each other if 2020 Bama is GoAT. Thay says a lot in itself.
Who knows which team was "best." I feel 2019 Bama without injuries wasn't far off from LSU. ImO, 2020 Bama injury free > 2019 Bama in terms of onfield product due to overall chemistry, TEAM play, selflessness and drive. But, you don't have 2020 Bama without the circumstances of 2018 and 2019 Bama.
I like 2020 Bama's chances vs a 2019 LSU. But, it is pure speculation, such is the GoAT conversation.
95 Nebraska, 2019 LSU, and 2020 Bama dominated their individual seasons as well as any in my lifetime. And, like it or not, 40 years from now (2 generations in the future), 2020 will remain the most memorable CFB season as a whole, asterisk or no.
People will still talk about it and how Bama overcame challenges common to ALL to play ALL of their games and dominate an ALL SEC schedule to the best conference record ever and one of the most dominant CFB performances ever. And, outside of LSU fans and some older SEC fans, few will remember the 2019 Tiger team. It was great, arguably GoAT to date, but all that the 2020 season and Bama team brought to CFB fans eclipsed it in terms of significance regardless of whether or not 2019 LSU > 2020 Bama.
2 x LSU fans and an AU fan debating against each other if 2020 Bama is GoAT. Thay says a lot in itself.
Who knows which team was "best." I feel 2019 Bama without injuries wasn't far off from LSU. ImO, 2020 Bama injury free > 2019 Bama in terms of onfield product due to overall chemistry, TEAM play, selflessness and drive. But, you don't have 2020 Bama without the circumstances of 2018 and 2019 Bama.
I like 2020 Bama's chances vs a 2019 LSU. But, it is pure speculation, such is the GoAT conversation.
95 Nebraska, 2019 LSU, and 2020 Bama dominated their individual seasons as well as any in my lifetime. And, like it or not, 40 years from now (2 generations in the future), 2020 will remain the most memorable CFB season as a whole, asterisk or no.
People will still talk about it and how Bama overcame challenges common to ALL to play ALL of their games and dominate an ALL SEC schedule to the best conference record ever and one of the most dominant CFB performances ever. And, outside of LSU fans and some older SEC fans, few will remember the 2019 Tiger team. It was great, arguably GoAT to date, but all that the 2020 season and Bama team brought to CFB fans eclipsed it in terms of significance regardless of whether or not 2019 LSU > 2020 Bama.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:45 am to NYCAuburn
quote:What's so hypocrital about pointing out they played slightly worse competition during a pandemic season? Do you know what the word hypocrisy means?
it’s like a broken record of hypocrisy.
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I’m hyper focused?
You rather talk about the shitass teams LSU faced in 2019 than the better teams.
Why are you so focused on Utah State and Georgia Southern, and not UGA and Clemson?
List the 3 or 4 most impressive wins on Alabama's schedule this year. I know the 6-win Ohio State team who got their conference to bend rules for them would be on your list. I would hope the Florida team who got beat by LSU's freshmen wouldn't be on that list, but I dont see how they're not. Wasn't that a 6-point victory?
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:46 am to FourThreeForty
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Y’all are really proud of those Georgia Southern and Northwestern State wins aren’t ya?
Texas was top ten. Plus we faced all of our SEC opponents when they had better teams. For Alabama this year, LSU, Tennessee and Auburn were all down. Those are their marquee games each season in the sec. LSU beat Auburn Bama & Florida who were all top ten.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:49 am to Billder
quote:nah, our bottom dwellers beat a bunch of ranked teams from other conferences in the bowls. If you add in the customary out of conference rent a wins, those teams records look alot better. Sec was no worse this year than usual, it's just lsu sucked. That's really what all this lsu effort to downplay this season is about.
Great year Bama, but the SEC sucked this year.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:49 am to turnpiketiger
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Texas was top ten
preseason polls, yes. They were a 5 loss team that went unranked before sneaking back in the AP poll at 25 after bowl season. LSU had a tremendous football season without trying to make Texas seem like a legit top 10 win.
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Plus we faced all of our SEC opponents when they had better teams
2020 Bama > 2019 Bama as a TEAM, and its not that close.
2020 UF > 2019 UF when offense at full strength and playing conditions don't inhibit their pass attack
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 11:53 am
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:50 am to turnpiketiger
quote:lol, Texas ended the season with 5 loses and barely sqeazed back in to the top 25 end of year. Get out of here with this bullshite
Texas was top ten.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:52 am to narddogg81
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nah, our bottom dwellers beat a bunch of ranked teams from other conferences in the bowls.
Bowls granted because of it being anything but a normal CFB season due to covid. 3-win teams in bowls, teams that are a shell of their regular season self with guys who rather sit out than play against 3-win teams, give me a break
You guys demonstrate how it wasnt a normal season while trying to pass it as a normal season in the same breath.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:55 am to narddogg81
Florida, yall most impressive win, finished the season with four losses.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:56 am to Che Boludo
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when offense at full strength and playing conditions don't inhibit their pass attack
Why couldn't you just say "when they don't get beat by LSU's worse team in decades full of a bunch of freshmen"? We all know that's your angle here. Yes, it doesn't make your 3rd best win as shiny as you'd like it to be, but that's the reality of the competition you faced.
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