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I used to naively think a conference championship meant a team was the best
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:29 am
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:29 am
Sunday I learned this is not the case, that is human subjectivity that determines the best team, and now I'm looking back at dominance.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:34 am to crazy888
You should have learned years ago (1/9/12 to be specific) that a conference championship does not mean you are the best team in your conference.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:35 am to crazy888
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Mississippi St. Fan
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conference championship
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now I'm looking back at dominance
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:36 am to Donkeypunch
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You should have learned years ago (1/9/12 to be specific)
1/9/12 only proved that anything is possible if you are given enough tries.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:39 am to lsu711
quote:That's not so. Y'all had 2 games and you never did score a TD...and wouldn't if the game was still going on.
1/9/12 only proved that anything is possible if you are given enough tries.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:40 am to lsu711
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that anything is possible if you are given enough tries.
Exactly. Who here thinks that a two-loss team automatically deserves a shot at the natty, just because they won their conference?
What if those two losses are to a pair of 8-5 teams?
I mean seriously?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:40 am to crazy888
We have a terrible way of deciding on a champion.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:40 am to lsu711
Yeah, LSU somehow managed to beat Bama. Miracle
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:45 am to crazy888
No having less losses does. Penn State lost twice, Michigan lost twice, Oklahoma lost twice, and Ohio State lost once. I'm no Ohio State fan, but they had a better resume than Penn State.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:48 am to coachcrisp
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That's not so. Y'all had 2 games and you never did score a TD...and wouldn't if the game was still going on.
LSU finished with the better record, and actually beat bama. Why play the games if they don't count?
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 10:51 am
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:49 am to coachcrisp
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Y'all had 2 games and you never did score a TD.
I think they had a good shot, but opted for the FG on 2nd down to beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:50 am to lsu711
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1/9/12 only proved that anything is possible if you are given enough tries.
Maybe try #7 will be work out a little better than the last six.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:50 am to dgnx6
quote:The question for the ages.
Why play the games if they don't count?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:52 am to crazy888
Let's eliminate all wild cards in all sports
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:53 am to crazy888
College Football Playoff Selection Process For Dummies - 2016 edition
Posted by Jon Ham online on 12/4/16 at 7:17 pm
Q: What's the purpose of the playoff selection committee?
A: "to select the four best teams from among several with legitimate claims to participate." selection committee protocol
Q: How are they supposed to decide who the 4 best teams are?
A: There is no mandatory formula or criteria. The committee has consistently said they look at each team's "resume" or "complete body of work." According to the official protocol, one of the goals of the CFP selection committee is to allow "enough flexibility and discretion to select a non-champion or independent under circumstances where that particular non-champion or independent is unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country."
Q: If there are no rules about having to choose among the conference champions, what's the point of conference championship games?
A: To decide the conference champions.
Q: In 2014, didn't the committee put Ohio State in the playoff over TCU because Ohio State won a conference championship game and TCU didn't?
A: TCU finished the season 11-1 and Ohio State finished the season 12-1 with a 59-0 win over Wisconsin in the Big 10 Championship. Some CFP critics hold onto the the old AP/Coaches poll unwritten "rule" that a higher ranked team keeps its spot or moves up if it doesn't lose, and that Ohio State jumping TCU just wasn't "right" because TCU was ranked higher the week before the Big 10 Championship game. However, the CFP committee looks at everything with fresh eyes each week and makes a new ranking based on complete body of work. CFP committee decided OSU's body of work with 1 extra dominating win over a quality opponent meant they were "better" than TCU and Baylor. The committee did not say winning a conference championship game means your automatically in over a comparable team who didn't win a conference championship game, but moving forward, it's only logical that you can expect that when it comes to two teams with the same regular season record and similar SOS's, the one that plays in a conference championship and wins will likely get the nod over a team that stays home and plays one less game.
Q: This year Penn State won the conference championship AND won the head to head over Ohio State. Why did Ohio State get selected over Penn State?
A: The committee decided Ohio State was unequivocally one of the 4 best teams based on body of work. Ohio State won @ top 10 Oklahoma, beat top 10 Michigan, won @ top 10 Wisconsin, and its only loss was by 3 points @ top 10 Penn State. Penn State lost by 39 points to Michigan and lost to 8 win Pitt. Complete body of work obviously dictates Ohio State is one of the top 4 teams in the nation.
Posted by Jon Ham online on 12/4/16 at 7:17 pm
Q: What's the purpose of the playoff selection committee?
A: "to select the four best teams from among several with legitimate claims to participate." selection committee protocol
Q: How are they supposed to decide who the 4 best teams are?
A: There is no mandatory formula or criteria. The committee has consistently said they look at each team's "resume" or "complete body of work." According to the official protocol, one of the goals of the CFP selection committee is to allow "enough flexibility and discretion to select a non-champion or independent under circumstances where that particular non-champion or independent is unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country."
Q: If there are no rules about having to choose among the conference champions, what's the point of conference championship games?
A: To decide the conference champions.
Q: In 2014, didn't the committee put Ohio State in the playoff over TCU because Ohio State won a conference championship game and TCU didn't?
A: TCU finished the season 11-1 and Ohio State finished the season 12-1 with a 59-0 win over Wisconsin in the Big 10 Championship. Some CFP critics hold onto the the old AP/Coaches poll unwritten "rule" that a higher ranked team keeps its spot or moves up if it doesn't lose, and that Ohio State jumping TCU just wasn't "right" because TCU was ranked higher the week before the Big 10 Championship game. However, the CFP committee looks at everything with fresh eyes each week and makes a new ranking based on complete body of work. CFP committee decided OSU's body of work with 1 extra dominating win over a quality opponent meant they were "better" than TCU and Baylor. The committee did not say winning a conference championship game means your automatically in over a comparable team who didn't win a conference championship game, but moving forward, it's only logical that you can expect that when it comes to two teams with the same regular season record and similar SOS's, the one that plays in a conference championship and wins will likely get the nod over a team that stays home and plays one less game.
Q: This year Penn State won the conference championship AND won the head to head over Ohio State. Why did Ohio State get selected over Penn State?
A: The committee decided Ohio State was unequivocally one of the 4 best teams based on body of work. Ohio State won @ top 10 Oklahoma, beat top 10 Michigan, won @ top 10 Wisconsin, and its only loss was by 3 points @ top 10 Penn State. Penn State lost by 39 points to Michigan and lost to 8 win Pitt. Complete body of work obviously dictates Ohio State is one of the top 4 teams in the nation.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:54 am to Donkeypunch
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Maybe try #7 will be work out a little better than the last six.
Alabama figuring out a way to beat LSU in 2008 reminds us that it is possible to end a long losing streak.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:56 am to crazy888
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used to naively think a conference championship meant a team was the best by crazy888
I don't disagree. But I think the motivation behind the decision is to force the television networks, the school AD's and the fans to push for an increase in teams in the CFP.
Three years ago they said four teams were a lock until 2025, now they need to renege on that deal to increase the teams in order to increase revenue. It's all about the dollar.
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