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Posted on 8/22/20 at 8:37 am to joshua2571
Doesn't seem like he or Leech really bother with recruiting (unless it's a WR for Leech). Should be a good fit in the sec west.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 8:57 am to Roger Klarvin
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’ll also add that Arnett runs a 3-3-5 base with 5 true DBs. It’s the variant popularized in CUSA the Big East in the early to mid-2000s, most notably at WVU.
Charlie Strong was already running it at South Carolina before it got to WVU.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 9:08 am to Roger Klarvin
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Leach is essentially always going to have, at best, mediocre defenses. It’s the trade off for running his offense as he does. His style stresses his defenses by putting them on the field A LOT and often with short periods of rest in between. Since he took over at Texas Tech in 2000 his defenses have been in the top 10 in snaps played all but 4 times, and in the top 25 every season he’s been a HC.
This post is proof that you don't know what the hell you're talking about and should probably stick to topics that you do know something about.
Leach's offense is not a "quick strike" offense. It's a ball control offense. Historically, his defenses aren't on a field proportionately longer. Google is your friend.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 9:35 am to Tigerlaff
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Sorry man, but it's not gonna work. Called it back in January.
Sorry State. Random internet dude called it back in January. It's settled!
Posted on 8/22/20 at 9:50 am to PlateJohnsonIII
I hope so, but the biggest knock on him at WSU was him being too stubborn to change; remember the UW DC joking about how predictable his offense was
Posted on 8/22/20 at 10:37 am to Roger Klarvin
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I’ll also add that Arnett runs a 3-3-5 base with 5 true DBs. It’s the variant popularized in CUSA the Big East in the early to mid-2000s, most notably at WVU. This defensive scheme as a base has traditionally struggled in power 5 conferences, with the notable exception of TCU under Gary Patterson. It allows second level defenders to get washed out by bigger and more talented offensive lines and tight ends.
LMAO! Evidently you don't remember the era that the SEC hated to play Ms ST. Why, because you always leave that game hurting. Their defense was brutal.
Guess what it was? the 3-3-5.
Led the nation in both rushing and total defense and was fourth in pass efficiency defense. Mississippi State finished sixth in scoring defense in 1999.
1998 MSU was the last Division 1-A defense in the nation to allow a touchdown through the air in 1998 and scored five defensive touchdowns throughout the campaign. The defense helped MSU win the Western Division title and gain a berth in the SEC Championship Game. In 1996, Dunn's defense broke the school record for quarterback sacks in a single season with 39.
It's an evil defense when done right.
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Posted on 8/22/20 at 10:39 am to Roger Klarvin
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3-3-5 base
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This defensive scheme as a base has traditionally struggled in power 5 conferences, with the notable exception of TCU under Gary Patterson
Patterson runs a 4-2-5 scheme and generally the “fifth DB” is more a hybrid LB.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 10:42 am to MullenBoys
I’m glad Leach is in the SEC because he’s interesting and he makes an otherwise boring program interesting. If MSU could somehow get to the SECCG, I’d be pulling for them to win it all.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 10:49 am to Roger Klarvin
Roger, what you are failing to see is what offenses are moving towards. We moved from a ram the ball down your throat with big bodies and throw to keep you honest to what most think is airing out in comparison.
LSU did too.
So how does a 3-3-5 help defend that? How does the Leach offense prepare a defense to play against the new Bama and LSU offensive mind set?
You are approaching this is inaccurate information. Example, you had no idea that the 3-3-5 does work in the SEC and had worked in the SEC. That was a different era however.
Having 5 dbs on the field in a game that is more pass happy with brutal LBs is not some sort of mistake.
LSU did too.
So how does a 3-3-5 help defend that? How does the Leach offense prepare a defense to play against the new Bama and LSU offensive mind set?
You are approaching this is inaccurate information. Example, you had no idea that the 3-3-5 does work in the SEC and had worked in the SEC. That was a different era however.
Having 5 dbs on the field in a game that is more pass happy with brutal LBs is not some sort of mistake.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 10:57 am to Tigerlaff
His offense will work. LSU air raided the hell out of he league last year. Leach has actually done a solid job having a producing runner. The recruiting part is gonna be on his staffs. That said, he can be asleep at the wheel and fall into his best classes ever at LSU based on the talent base and SEC alone. He's gonna have better athletes all around at MSU.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 10:59 am to Roger Klarvin
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Leach is essentially always going to have, at best, mediocre defenses. It’s the trade off for running his offense as he does.
Are you one of those people that sees “air raid” and think that means “24/7 hail marys”? If so, you need to do some research before posting on this webpage.
Leach’s system may not be as ideal for defenses as Mullen’s was, but Leach’s defensive problems at WSU stemmed from being at one of the worst programs in the most defense-light P5 conference.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:05 am to lsufanva
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LSU air raided the hell out of he league last year.
These are not the same.
LSU averaged 37 passes to 34 rushes per game in 2019.
Leach averaged 55 passes to 16 rushes per game in 2019.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:07 am to Mithridates6
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UW DC joking about how predictable his offense was
That’s not on the system itself. It may or may not be on Leach, but the caliber of the QB and offensive talent matters a lot for the successful execution of the system.
It’s true that the air raid only has a few different plays, but the point of the system is to give the QB options despite the predictability of the scheme itself.
In theory, Leach’s system at MSU should set up Kylin Hill as a running threat every single down he plays. Whether they are able to execute that well or not remains to be seen, but if they can it puts the big teams like Georgia, Bama, etc at upset risk.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:12 am to SidewalkTiger
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Leach averaged 55 passes to 16 rushes per game in 2019.
So what you are saying is that Leach will have given his own defense enough reps going into the season to give his defense a head start in defending the pass.... LOL.
Fact is his offense has always worked. Even when at UK. It just works.
The issue has always been an elite defense to compete for a championship
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:18 am to SidewalkTiger
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LSU averaged 37 passes to 34 rushes per game in 2019.
How many of those rushes were in the second half after the game was already well-in-hand from the more pass-heavy first half though?
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:21 am to Jjdoc
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So what you are saying is that Leach will have given his own defense enough reps going into the season to give his defense a head start in defending the pass.... LOL.
Fact is his offense has always worked. Even when at UK. It just works.
The issue has always been an elite defense to compete for a championship
My point was that it wasnt the same as what LSU was doing last year.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:29 am to SidewalkTiger
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My point was that it wasnt the same as what LSU was doing last year.
I get that. But at the same time, in order for their offense to work, they have to prep for and condition for actually doing that in a game.
That equally means their defense is defending the pass at a higher rep than most.... making them a little more prepared to defend the pass in the Sec.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:29 am to megiddo
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How many of those rushes were in the second half after the game was already well-in-hand from the more pass-heavy first half though?
It doesn't matter because Leach doesn't do that.
In 2019, they beat Northern Colorado 59-17. They had 42 pass attempts to 15 rush attempts.
They beat New Mexico State also in 2019, 58-7 with 49 pass attempts, 20 rush attempts.
In 2018, they beat Arizona 69-28 with 56 pass attempts and 23 rush attempts.
I'm not even taking into account how many of these rush attempts are sacks.
Leach doesn't run the ball much even when he's blowing the other team out. Win or lose, Leach is throwing.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:30 am to Jjdoc
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That equally means their defense is defending the pass at a higher rep than most.... making them a little more prepared to defend the pass in the Sec.
And a little less prepared to defend the run in the SEC.
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