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re: I don't see any way we don't take Georgia Tech if we expand
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:16 am to bigDgator
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:16 am to bigDgator
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They are a top school for academics and Atlanta is basically the capitol of the South. If we leave them out the Big 10 will gladly snap them up to have some turf in the region. Also was a founding member of the SEC.
Am I wrong here?
I will bet a coca cola that if any ACC teams join the SEC GT is among them for one reason...to keep the big 10 out of Atlanta. GT is no longer culturally a SEC school but if the ACC implodes like it looks like they may the SEC would be foolish to allow any conference to penetrate Atlanta.
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:22 am to WG_Dawg
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if we leave them out the Big 10 will gladly snap them up to have some turf in the region
So?
The problem is sharing TV markets with the Big 10 in Atlanta in particular and Georgia in general AND opening the door to recruiting in what is one of the top 3 hottest areas in the country for SEC quality athletes. The SEC took OU and Texas for TV and recruiting and the recruiting of anything other than skill positions in Texas ain't close to what it is in Georgia. The SEC has dominated CFB with big, quick lineman and linebackers. Texas does not produce those in the same numbers that Georgia does...they produce QBs and receivers at a higher clip but not linemen and linebackers. And probably not TEs and defensive backs but I don't know that for certain. Allowing Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State to be on TV in Atlanta in any meaningful way is a bad idea. GT is a bad fit for the SEC and there is no doubt...but the TV market and recruiting is what would make them attractive.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:26 am to bigDgator
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(Still talking to UGA fans)
I know you hate Tech, but them going to the Big 10 could be very meaningful to the conference. They are already spread coast to coast, so being present in the South would be beneficial to them imo.
The big 10 would take Tech yesterday. First Tech is an academic match but having an outpost in the capital of the south and all that that implies would be a bad idea for the SEC. There is already a HUGE big 10 fan base in metro Atlanta...Big 10 teams playing in downtown Atlanta 5 or so times a year is a bad idea...
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:28 am to AwgustaDawg
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TV market and recruiting is what would make them attractive.
TV marketing is going the way of the dodo bird.
Disney is going to pull the sport monopoly away from Cable/Satellite, eventually.
It will either be because one of them will balk at the price tag (because of cord cutting).
Or it will be because Disney can bundle their own package and manage it for better revenue (i.e. Disney buys full ownership of Hulu live and then makes a package with ESPN to take over the market. Competitors would be forced to pay a premium for the sport content).
What does this mean?
Having a sport in the St. Louis market wouldn't mean anything.
Having a sport in the LA market wouldn't mean anything. Having a sport in the Atlanta market wouldn't mean anything.
The only thing that would matter is the number of GT fans willing to buy HULU Live because it us $15 cheaper than the competition and has the sports they want.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:29 am to bigDgator
Yes you’re wrong for many reasons that have already been stated in this thread.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:30 am to DawginSC
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Again... they have no fans.
GT going to the Big 10 is not all that different from Emory or Kennesaw State going to the Big 10. The schools don't have a large local fanbase, don't have an invested alumni fanbase and students are largely not that interested in sports.
You're looking at this by looking at a map. GT isn't Auburn or NCSU where they aren't the state school but still have a large fanbase to sell to another conference.
They have less than 35,000 a game in attendance at football games. GT relies on visiting fans for much of that. I remember one season where UGA was playing at Tech and they were selling 3 game packages of home tickets that UGA fans bought up to get the UGA game. It was funny because there was another game where UGA had a bye... so about 15,000 UGA fans showed up and cheered for Maryland or NCSU or whoever it was since they had already bought the tickets.
GT's attendance will get much worse without regionalism fueling visiting fans easily being able to attend. They aren't a catch.
It ain't the Tech fan base...they exist in Atlanta already, small as it is. It is the spectacle of 4-5 big 10 schools in Atlanta each season taking over grant field with a bunch of Metro Atlanta recruits present that would be the biggest problem...diluting a HUGE SEC TV market during prime time games (GT still has enough cache to be a draw with Ohio State or Michigan in Atlanta) is also a bad idea. There is a massive big 10 presence in Atlanta now but they do not attend many games in person in Atlanta...handing them 4-5 per season to show case the big 10 in the area is not a good idea.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:36 am to bigDgator
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With a name like that you should understand it is the tv money that swings the big stick. Just like TCU got competitive, so can Ga Tech with the right coach, and people want to watch the hot thing, fan or no fan.
Georgia Tech is an easy add for any conference, and the travel to and fro would be a piece of cake with the busiest airport in the world in their back yard. Being in the Big 10 would raise their brand and in turn being in ATL would raise the Big 10's brand.
The powers that be in the Big 10 would make a spectacle of it when Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State travel down to ATL to play a conference game. Or even USC and Oregon playing there.
The Big 10 is the old man conference and having conference teams on the West coast and in the South would refute that sterotype.
The same reasons the SEC CG leaving Atlanta being a bad idea applies to GT being in any conference other than the ACC or SEC. Some seasons would see a couple of conference games more interesting than 90% of the current big 10 matchups any season outside of OSU, UM and Penn State. Geographic location matters especially when youre talking about the capital of the south AND the epicenter of the CFB world. GT is a lousy athletic school currently and has been for almost the entirety of the time they have been out of the SEC...but allowing the Big 10 an outpost in Atlanta is a bad idea. GT is no worse than Vandy and probably on par with Mississippi State....they ain't close to being a cultural fit but their location is in the heart of what is the world of college football.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:36 am to bigDgator
Don't like Tech, but I'm not opposed to some post game chili dogs & onion rings from the Greasy V ... what’ll ya have, what”ll ya have? 
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:39 am to tylerdurden24
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Footprint doesn’t matter so much as brand recognition. Nobody is going to care if Ohio State plays at Tech. They’ll care if Ohio State plays at Washington. Geography isn’t the feature this time around, brand power is.
35,000 Ohio State or Michigan or Penn State fans in Atlanta during high school football season is going to cost every team in the SEC a couple of high profile recruits a year. If GT receieved enough cash incentive you can rest assured that those games would be played at MB stadium and you're looking at 65,000 of those fans in Atlanta those weekends. Allowing what amounts to almost an Ohio State or Michigan or Penn State home game in Atlanta even every couple of 4 seasons is a BAD idea...
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:43 am to AwgustaDawg
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I will bet a coca cola that if any ACC teams join the SEC GT is among them for one reason...to keep the big 10 out of Atlanta.
I'll take that bad. Diet coke for me though.
I don't think adding GT brings Atlanta into the fold for any conference any more than adding Georgia State or Kennesaw State would.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:47 am to DawginSC
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If Vandy wasn't in the SEC, they'd never get an invite. Neither would they get invited by the Big 10 to get access to Tennessee. Memphis is a better draw.
Tennessee production of high caliber college athletes is nothing compared to metro Atlanta. Georgia produces the second most NFL players per capita behind Louisiana, and tops the list per capita in NBA and MLB players. A majority of that talent lives within an hour of the busiest airport in the world and the cheapest motel market of any metropolitan area on the planet. Giving an inch to any college athletic program in that fertile and easy picking ground is a BAD idea...
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:48 am to AwgustaDawg
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(GT still has enough cache to be a draw with Ohio State or Michigan in Atlanta)
The reality is they don't.
When GT vs UCF was televised last year they had a .07 TV rating. GT doesn't bring ANY eyes to a contest, it's entirely the fans of the team they are playing. They get good ratings against UGA or Clemson because those fanbases watch the games, but against a nobody team? Nobody watches.
What that means is that while OSU or Michigan would bring their fans to a contest against GT... they'd get more fans and TV views by playing a game in atlanta against one of their existing teams like Wisconsin or Indiana.
Playing a bad opponent with no fans in Atlanta won't help recruiting the city any more than playing Rutgers has helped bring viewership or recruits from New York.
Perhaps the Big 10 tries it... but they'd be stupid not to learn from the Rutgers experience.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:49 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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way fuzzy memory here, but wasn't their leaving some type of F Your Mother Go to Hell thing?
Few people realized that at the time. Fewer people might have understood the reason. Dodd tried to explain it to his players: The SEC had a rule that allowed schools to recruit an excess number of players and then run off the ones they didn't want to keep. Georgia Tech refused to do that
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:50 am to DawginSC
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I don't see any evidence of what you suggest.
The Big 10 could get more from playing two random Big 10 teams in a game in Atlanta every other week than adding GT.
If GT had a fanbase, it would be different. They simply don't though. The fans all come from the visiting team.
GT played Virginia tech last season in front of 29,000 tickets sold (much less actually IN the stadium). UVA isn't close enough for fans to drive like from Clemson or the tobacco road schools.
You're making the same argument that people made when Rutgers was added to the Big 10 or BC was added to the ACC. Oh, the fans will go to see New York or Boston.
But it just doesn't happen. And people don't watch on TV either because it's Rutgers. Heck, OSU broke their streak of 100,000+ attendance games last season when Rutgers came to their stadium.
Location of the school doesn't matter if they don't deliver anything from the market. GT doesn't deliver Atlanta. There are probably 10 schools who can sell tickets better in Atlanta.
The CFB TV market in Atlanta is about 4 times that of NY or Los Angeles. Not TV markets but the % of TVs in the market tuned to CFB when it is aired. Tech does not sell tickets but a HEAPING pile of those TVs are tuned into Tech games from fans of other schools. Tech is a horrible fit but location in this instance matters...
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:54 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Supposedly the main reason for Tech’s exit was the so-called 140 Rule. SEC schools were allowed 140 scholarships for football and men’s basketball; football programs were allowed to sign as many 45 recruits per season. Tech coach Bobby Dodd believed that other teams were overrecruiting, pushing aside underperforming players to clear scholarship space for newer ones. Dodd wanted the rule changed & had the support of Tech's President Harrison. When they didn't get their way they left ... to become the Notre Dame of the South
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:57 am to meansonny
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It is the school.
Not the coaches.
When they lose all of the time, they cling to Nerd status to make themselves feel better (i.e. the B1G approach). That has trained 2 generations of alums that football is only for jock schools. so why try? It is ingrained in their administration. It is ingrained in their faculty. It is ingrained in their student body. It is ingrained in their alumni.
Tech is nothing like Clemson. Nothing like Auburn. Nothing like FSU.
They can have a good football program (as good as the bottom half of the SEC). But they will never be a "football school" until they clean out the administration and faculty.
I am not sure Tech isn't on the verge of making a commitment to Football. They have relied on the past and location a LONG time...but with UGAs recent success its unlikely Tech leadership allows Tech to remain as squalid as it absoltely is at the moment. Location alone makes it a very unique place to play major college football games. They have had no reason to be good because they have made money being lousy...but college athletics is changing. Hell even Vandy is starting to invest in facilities./..
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:01 am to Hback
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Don't like Tech, but I'm not opposed to some post game chili dogs & onion rings from the Greasy V ... what’ll ya have, what”ll ya have?
The Varsity in its current state is going to dissappear soon. It isn't open but about 10 hours a day now and the property is waaaaayyyyyy to valuable for it to remain much longer.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:06 am to bigDgator
Gt needs to take this time and carefully decide what it wants to be, do you recommit yourself football or do you keep the public ivy trajectory. People forget up until the paul Johnson Era began gt was not an auto win for anyone. If they recommit to football they'll be big 10 bound. If they elect to stay the same trajectory they need to call cal and Stanford yesterday and think about a public ivy conference for themselves.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:12 am to BigOrangeKen
I'm 81. I started at LSU in 1959.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:16 am to bigDgator
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Am I wrong here?
Yes
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