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Posted on 12/8/12 at 7:48 pm to Crompdaddy8
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that's Dooley style. I don't think he had 1 signature win in 3 years. not one.
Butch please. You know for a fact Dooley didn't have a signature win. At least Kiffin beat UGA.
Posted on 12/8/12 at 7:56 pm to kywildcatfanone
UK isn't going anywhere. Lou-a-ville is taking Kentucky over.
Posted on 12/8/12 at 8:01 pm to dallasga6
Gardner? Never heard of Gardner. 
Posted on 12/9/12 at 8:25 am to GreyReb
Until this last coaching search, I was pretty sure it would happen sooner rather than later. After seeing the way things played out, I'm far less optimistic. There is way too much chaos and infighting between the decision makers at Tennessee, and little reason to believe they're going to change. I strongly doubt that they'll be willing to do what it takes to find a winner, and the fans are simply too scared of change to demand excellence. If Butch Jones can't get the job done, and I don't think he can, I think it could be a while before Tennessee is back.
Tennessee certainly has the ability to be a highly successful program, so while I'm confident they will be back eventually, I think it will be more luck than anything. Until one of these 'up and comers' turns out to be a quality coach, I expect more losing and empty seats.
Tennessee certainly has the ability to be a highly successful program, so while I'm confident they will be back eventually, I think it will be more luck than anything. Until one of these 'up and comers' turns out to be a quality coach, I expect more losing and empty seats.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 8:51 am to ohiovol
1 word, recruiting, explains their limitation at this point, regardless of how good or bad surrounding factors are.
As long as you are a fish in a pond that routinely has several classes in the top 10, and you are not, I don't see them returning to success.
And unlike most SEC states, they can't make quick progress with a big, unified, in state haul.
I am not trying to rub it in with the Big Orange, it's just that I have lived in Tennessee for over 10 yrs., and for 6 in KnoxVegas, and their success under Fulmer was on the national stage in recruiting. ( Example: Peyton Manning, Casey Clausen) I am unsure with how far they have fallen here. It doesn't seem to be a focal point of discussion among the talk shows here.
Finally, they look to lose Bray, Hunter, and Patterson. They will not be easily replaced.
With Vandy rising, and so many other good SEC teams presently, UT is on the outside looking in.
Oh, and the new coach supposedly has not had experience recruiting the South. So, how long they stay this way remains to be seen. James Franklin is an excellent example of how quickly things can improve in this state.
As long as you are a fish in a pond that routinely has several classes in the top 10, and you are not, I don't see them returning to success.
And unlike most SEC states, they can't make quick progress with a big, unified, in state haul.
I am not trying to rub it in with the Big Orange, it's just that I have lived in Tennessee for over 10 yrs., and for 6 in KnoxVegas, and their success under Fulmer was on the national stage in recruiting. ( Example: Peyton Manning, Casey Clausen) I am unsure with how far they have fallen here. It doesn't seem to be a focal point of discussion among the talk shows here.
Finally, they look to lose Bray, Hunter, and Patterson. They will not be easily replaced.
With Vandy rising, and so many other good SEC teams presently, UT is on the outside looking in.
Oh, and the new coach supposedly has not had experience recruiting the South. So, how long they stay this way remains to be seen. James Franklin is an excellent example of how quickly things can improve in this state.
This post was edited on 12/9/12 at 8:53 am
Posted on 12/9/12 at 8:59 am to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
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And unlike most SEC states, they can't make quick progress with a big, unified, in state haul.
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James Franklin is an excellent example of how quickly things can improve in this state.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 9:12 am to ohiovol
I have no clue if Franklin improved because of in state talent. Did he?
And if so, this gets off of the bottom feeder level of the SEC. I don't think anyone expects him to win an SEC title in 5 years.
I see it unlikely to have an in state haul that would accomplish that, at either school.
In either schools case, improvement does not necessarily equal championships, which is what UT had under Fulmer.
And if so, this gets off of the bottom feeder level of the SEC. I don't think anyone expects him to win an SEC title in 5 years.
I see it unlikely to have an in state haul that would accomplish that, at either school.
In either schools case, improvement does not necessarily equal championships, which is what UT had under Fulmer.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 9:16 am to ohiovol
I should say that I expect national perception of the program to continue to sink. Analysts were still saying this was the best job open this year. I don't know if that will be the case the next time around. Soon, Tennessee will have gone 20 years without winning the SEC.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 9:16 am to GreyReb
Potentially 2-3 years. The schedule sets up nicely his first year, except for that Oregon game, and 8 wins is not unreachable. A bowl game and a little momentum off of that, and they would be right on the right track.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 9:35 am to 9th life
Just saw the Butch Jones day 1 video.
He looks the part.
He looks the part.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 9:39 am to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
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Just saw the Butch Jones day 1 video.
He looks the part.
Really? You think he's going to have Tennessee competing with Floria and Alabama?
Posted on 12/9/12 at 9:43 am to ohiovol
I really don't have any idea.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 9:46 am to GreyReb
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How long could it take Tennessee to make it back to the elite level they were at in the 90s and before
How long will it take for LSU, Georgia, and South Carolina to fall back to the mediocre level they were at in the '90s?
Posted on 12/9/12 at 9:52 am to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
I love how everyone makes these bold predictions as if they have any idea what's going to happen. Every great program has gone through periods of mediocrity. If history is any indication, UT will be good again. Will it be under Butch Jones? Who knows. It's far too early to tell one way or the other. I'm going to give the guy a fair chance instead of bitching and moaning like many UT fans are doing. This guy is a major upgrade over Kiffin and Dooley.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 9:58 am to Bench McElroy
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How long will it take for LSU, Georgia, and South Carolina to fall back to the mediocre level they were at in the '90s?
South Carolina will be replacing The Ol' Ball Coach soon, and I'm still not sold on Mark Richt.
If their replacements are anything like this guy...
...whose main focus at LSU was banging cheerleaders, then suddenly Tennessee has an easier path. All it takes is a few coaching changes with bad hires as the replacements.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 10:02 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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All it takes is a few coaching changes with bad hires as the replacements.
Or it just takes Tennessee getting one coaching change right. However, that would require the big donors and the administration working together to do what's best for the program. I seriously doubt that's going to happen at Tennessee.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 11:14 am to ohiovol
People saying Tennessee is failing in recruiting is BS. Within the last 5 years we have pulled in top 10/15 classes with a complete doofus and major coaching turnover. All of our stars on this team are from across the country (Bray, Hunter, CP, James, etc.).
A good coach will be able to recruit here. I don't know if Butch Jones is that guy. He could be, who knows.
A good coach will be able to recruit here. I don't know if Butch Jones is that guy. He could be, who knows.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 11:36 am to NukemVol
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People saying Tennessee is failing in recruiting is BS. Within the last 5 years we have pulled in top 10/15 classes with a complete doofus and major coaching turnover. All of our stars on this team are from across the country (Bray, Hunter, CP, James, etc.). A good coach will be able to recruit here. I don't know if Butch Jones is that guy. He could be, who knows.
Exactly. If UT could recruit top 15 classes with an idiot like Dooley, have have little doubt that it will continue to do so with a better coach in place.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 2:04 pm to ChicagoVol
At this point in Tennessee's freefall,I don't have a dog in this fight, but I live here and during my years in Knoxville you could not escape the Big Orange.
I was at LSU when Dinardo brought back the Magic with a shot heard around the world when he signed one Kevin Faulk, and the LA. pipeline was shunted from Florida and elsewhere back where it belonged in Baton Rouge, Saban and Miles were able to retain this pipeline. We all know what happened after.
So, a few names we lost or didn't pickup from our state around then for whatever reason:
Travis Minor
Brandon Stokely
Jake Dellhomme
Warrick Dunn
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Major Applewhite
QB from Miami
Ike Hilliard
This is not unique to Louisiana or LSU. It plays out in other states. But, this can't occur at UT, ever. This is not a coaching issue. The players in similar numbers aren't there and I way venture that national recruiting has never been more competitive. Other teams have risen since Tennessee had their downfall.
It really doesn't matter if you are getting top 15-20 classes if your competition is consistently top 5-10.As things currently stand in college football with the SEC as the big dog, until you are consistently recruiting top 5-15 with ample depth, you will be doing well to break even in SEC play. Just my 2 cents.
I guess a start would be to keep the few big names that do arise in Tennessee. Golden Tate, Harrison Smith, and ultimately Jalen Hurd.
I was at LSU when Dinardo brought back the Magic with a shot heard around the world when he signed one Kevin Faulk, and the LA. pipeline was shunted from Florida and elsewhere back where it belonged in Baton Rouge, Saban and Miles were able to retain this pipeline. We all know what happened after.
So, a few names we lost or didn't pickup from our state around then for whatever reason:
Travis Minor
Brandon Stokely
Jake Dellhomme
Warrick Dunn
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Major Applewhite
QB from Miami
Ike Hilliard
This is not unique to Louisiana or LSU. It plays out in other states. But, this can't occur at UT, ever. This is not a coaching issue. The players in similar numbers aren't there and I way venture that national recruiting has never been more competitive. Other teams have risen since Tennessee had their downfall.
It really doesn't matter if you are getting top 15-20 classes if your competition is consistently top 5-10.As things currently stand in college football with the SEC as the big dog, until you are consistently recruiting top 5-15 with ample depth, you will be doing well to break even in SEC play. Just my 2 cents.
I guess a start would be to keep the few big names that do arise in Tennessee. Golden Tate, Harrison Smith, and ultimately Jalen Hurd.
This post was edited on 12/9/12 at 2:09 pm
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