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re: How far do Bama/LSU fall when Saban/Miles retire?
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:21 pm to geauxjo
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:21 pm to geauxjo
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What if no big time coaches are available at the time? Coaching hires are part evaluating ability and part plain old lucky timing. See Bama with Saban. They had struck out on several hires in years past then "bam"- he's ready to return to college at just the right time. Anyone who thinks coaching hires at great programs are a slam dunk hasn't seen enough of them.
Exactly. It all depends on who they can hire, and if they make the right choice. Sometimes programs hire someone based upon experience and past results and they fall flat...other times a relative unknown is hired and the program strikes gold.
To me? If Georgia were looking for a head coach right now (And I like Richt) I would like to see us go after Chris Peterson, Charlie Strong, or Gary Patterson. I'm sure there are others, but those just popped into my head on the spur of the moment.
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Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:22 pm to DawgsLife
Coaching hires are risky. That's why I think a guy like Kirby Smart would be a good gamble for Bama when Saban retires.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:22 pm to GeorgeReymond
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The coaches you listed above only had one 10 win season in their tenure at UofA.
CLM has had six 10 win seasons out of the eight years at LSU
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Pretty sure NO ONE is arguing that any of those three were better than Miles.
Mike Price, on the other hand...
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:22 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Still, two monkeys brought in 2 ten win season's in that time period.
2000 3-8
2001 7-5
2002 10-3
2003 4-9
2004 7-6
2005 10-2
2006 6-7
2007 7-6
You don't consider that a drought? Oooooook.
IMO, the biggest drought was having to sit back and wait 17 yrs between National Championships. For a Bama fan, that was a tough freakin dought that I hope I never have to witness again.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:24 pm to TJGator1215
No idea. We'll have to see who replaces Miles. At this point I couldn't think of anyone else I'd want to LSU.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:30 pm to DawgsLife
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2000 3-8
2001 7-5
2002 10-3
2003 4-9
2004 7-6
2005 10-2
2006 6-7
2007 7-6
You don't consider that a drought? Oooooook.
I didn't say it wasn't a drought. I just pointed out that the main reason for that drought was harsh NCAA sanctions and some bad hires...nothing to do with the Bama program itself. And in the midst of that drought Bama had a couple of 10 win seasons with bad coaches.
Bottom line, Bama wins the SEC Title in 1999--has a couple of 10 win seasons with bad coaches while ravaged by NCAA sanctions and then hires the best coach in the game in 2007 and proceeds to win 3/4 NC's and counting. If that sequence doesn't prove the elite status of the Bama program, I don't know what would. There's def. no other team out there, including UGA, that would have that level of success during a "decade drought" as you said. And just to keep it accurate, it wasn't a decade. We were down from 2000-2007 and had multiple 10 win seasons during that 8 year drought.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:30 pm to GeorgeReymond
AD Revenues:
A&M 6th, LSU 7th
"Value" as Forbes defined it is meaningless. Money is what matters. A&M was only $5 million behind Bama last year and that was with no TV money because we had left the Big 12. What do you think happens when we open our new 102k stadium in 2015? All the luxury boxes and most of the luxury seating is already gone and only a couple thousand people have even been able to buy tickets. This is also after A&M has had their longest drought without a conference title in program history and LSU has had their most successful decade in program history. What do you think happens when A&M wins an SEC or Natty Title?
In truth the money difference between the big SEC programs is almost immaterial. Bama, UF, UGA, LSU, Auburn, and A&M have the resources to buy anything they want. UT is having a few money issues but that is likely temporary. USC and Arky also have deep pockets when they need them.
What LSU and Bama have done over the last decade is truly impressive, it is just unlikely to continue much longer based on the competitive pressure around them.
A&M 6th, LSU 7th
"Value" as Forbes defined it is meaningless. Money is what matters. A&M was only $5 million behind Bama last year and that was with no TV money because we had left the Big 12. What do you think happens when we open our new 102k stadium in 2015? All the luxury boxes and most of the luxury seating is already gone and only a couple thousand people have even been able to buy tickets. This is also after A&M has had their longest drought without a conference title in program history and LSU has had their most successful decade in program history. What do you think happens when A&M wins an SEC or Natty Title?
In truth the money difference between the big SEC programs is almost immaterial. Bama, UF, UGA, LSU, Auburn, and A&M have the resources to buy anything they want. UT is having a few money issues but that is likely temporary. USC and Arky also have deep pockets when they need them.
What LSU and Bama have done over the last decade is truly impressive, it is just unlikely to continue much longer based on the competitive pressure around them.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:33 pm to DawgsLife
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2000 3-8
2001 7-5
2002 10-3
2003 4-9
2004 7-6
2005 10-2
2006 6-7
2007 7-6
You don't consider that a drought? Oooooook.
Definitely a decline...for sure.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:36 pm to aggressor
I agree money isn't an issue among the top schools in the SEC. LSU is also adding 60-70 suites + ~3,000 club seats for 2014 FWIW
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:36 pm to vincejr
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Both programs are two of the most powerful athletic programs in the country both financially and with the recruiting base. They will both hire big time coaches and continue being successful
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:41 pm to aggressor
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What LSU and Bama have done over the last decade is truly impressive, it is just unlikely to continue much longer based on the competitive pressure around them.
Nobody is saying that Bama and LSU will win the natty every year. Just that neither program is going to fall off a cliff. Both teams will be in the hunt most every year, and unlike TAMU, have proven they know how to win and sustain winning at the highest levels of the SEC in a championship sort of way. TAMU may get there, but certainly are not there yet. Arkansas and USCe have both been in the SEC for 20 years and both have yet to win the conference even once. TAMU may do it quicker, but you aren't at the big-boy table yet, don't deceive yourself.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:49 pm to DawgsLife
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Don't be so sure about Alabama. They were not very good for the 10 years leading up to Saban.
That's the point.
Ten years before Saban would be 1997-2006. Without a doubt that would be the most turbulent time in Alabama's history since Ears Whitworth and yet they still had an overall winning record (55%), had three 10 win seasons, won the west twice, and won the whole SEC once. It was marked by bad coaching hires.
Let's compare that with a pretty stable program. Georgia, for example. During the same time period they had a much overall better record but only managed 2 more 10 win seasons and 1 more division title.
The worst decade in Alabama's history since WWII ended would be glory years for most places.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:52 pm to DawgsLife
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You don't consider that a drought? Ooooooo
Interesting that the comment was about a decade before Saban, yet you only listed 8 years, managed to start in the middle of one coach's tenure and the year after he won the SEC, and also include Saban's first season.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 4:01 pm to JustGetItRight
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Interesting that the comment was about a decade before Saban, yet you only listed 8 years, managed to start in the middle of one coach's tenure and the year after he won the SEC, and also include Saban's first season.
Reality is Bama was a good program in the 90's, period. We won a NC, 2 SECC's and more West titles than I can count. Averaged 10 wins a year from 90-96 back when the season was only 11 games.
Bama was down in 2000-2007, but as I already stated there are reasons for that 8 year drought, and even in the midst of that drought some pretty awful coaches had 10 win season, and we even had 5 winning seasons in that 8 year drought. Proof Bama is an elite job for sure. The uga fan didn't realize he actually proved our point in an awesome way.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 4:23 pm to TJGator1215
Mike DuBose won an SEC title and 10 games at Bama.
Shula went 11-2 in 2005.
Franchone won 10 games.
Ears Whitworth is the ONLY Bama coach ( save Mike Price who never coached a game ) since 1919 ( Xen Scott went 10-1 in 1920 following his 8-1 debut in 1919.) who didn't win 10 games, the ONLY ONE.
Xen Scott , Wallace Wade 3 national titles , Frank Thomas 2 national titles , Red Drew 10-2, 1952 , Bear Bryant 6 national titles , should have been 8 , Ray Perkins 10-3 in 1986 , Bill Curry 10-2 in 1989 , Gene Stalling 13-0 , 1992 won 10 games 4 out of 7 years, I am pretty sure , maybe 5.
DuBose , Franchone , Shula , Saban.
I bet no other program comes close to having all but 1 coach winning at least 10 games in the last 93 years.
We are Bama , the rest are minnows in comparison......
Shula went 11-2 in 2005.
Franchone won 10 games.
Ears Whitworth is the ONLY Bama coach ( save Mike Price who never coached a game ) since 1919 ( Xen Scott went 10-1 in 1920 following his 8-1 debut in 1919.) who didn't win 10 games, the ONLY ONE.
Xen Scott , Wallace Wade 3 national titles , Frank Thomas 2 national titles , Red Drew 10-2, 1952 , Bear Bryant 6 national titles , should have been 8 , Ray Perkins 10-3 in 1986 , Bill Curry 10-2 in 1989 , Gene Stalling 13-0 , 1992 won 10 games 4 out of 7 years, I am pretty sure , maybe 5.
DuBose , Franchone , Shula , Saban.
I bet no other program comes close to having all but 1 coach winning at least 10 games in the last 93 years.
We are Bama , the rest are minnows in comparison......
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 4:25 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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We are Bama , the rest are minnows in comparison......
Your username makes no sense then.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 4:25 pm to TJGator1215
TJGator...you need to woryr about Florida and not Alabama/LSU...Saban and Miles will be coaching for another 8+ years...Miles probably longer.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 4:32 pm to TreyAnastasio
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This is such a dead giveaway that something butthurt will follow. Its like if someone says, Im not racist, but... you know something racist will follow.
Pot. Kettle. blah blah blah
Posted on 8/12/13 at 4:32 pm to c on z
WHY ?
I stated in comparison, to a guy who is insinuating that minus Saban , Bama would be nothing.
The rest of tne SEC has gotten much better in the last 25 years, but when comparing history, there really is no comparison.
Also , I truly root for all SEC teams , like most on here, but facts are facts.
I stated in comparison, to a guy who is insinuating that minus Saban , Bama would be nothing.
The rest of tne SEC has gotten much better in the last 25 years, but when comparing history, there really is no comparison.
Also , I truly root for all SEC teams , like most on here, but facts are facts.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 4:41 pm to TJGator1215
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LSU on the other hand I think would stumble until they got lucky again and found a diamond in the rough like Miles.
What the frick do you mean "would" stumble. The stumbling is happening now. The decline train has left the station and all of the Tiger faithful have a first class ticket.
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