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re: How does UGA's national championship affect the SEC all time program rankings?
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:01 am to cyarrr
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:01 am to cyarrr
In addition to what dawgslife said, which is plenty, you seem to want to discount them simply becuase they aren't valid now. Do you find the BCS a valid way of crowning a champion? Because 1/3 of the BCS formula was computers. Another 1/3 was coaches, yes the very same coaches actually leading these teams competing for the title, getting to VOTE on where themselves and other teams shoudl be ranked. The other 1/3 was newspaper writers. Just because that's currently an inferior way to do it compared to what we do now, doesn't mean it wasn't valid in the moment.
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Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:03 am to WG_Dawg
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Except, the champion in 1984 was undefeated and was named champion by pretty much every selector out there
After the 1984 season selectors were torn between BYU and Florida as to who deserved number one. The AP chose BYU, but overall the number of selectors between the two schools was equal.
Florida
Angelo Louisa
Annual Football Predictions
Bob Kirlin
David Wilson
Dunkel System
Football by the Numbers
Foundation for the Analysis of Competitions and Tournaments
Harry DeVold
Jeff Self
Loren Maxwell
Massy Ratings
Matthews Grid Ratings
New York Times
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Sagarin Ratings
Soren Sorensen
Sparks Achievement Ratings
Steve Eck
SW!-TECH Computer Ratings
The Fleming System
The Sporting News
BYU
ARGH Power Ratings
Associated Press
Billingsley Report
Bob Royce
Century Football Index
Cliff Morgan
College Football Researchers Association
DKC Ratings
Football Writers Association of America
Harry Frye
James Howell
Mel Smith
National Championship Foundation
National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame
Poling System
Quality Champions
Sports Illustrated
Thomas Jech
United Press International
USA Today/CNN
Washington Touchdown Club
BYU had the AP, but Florida had the New York Times and The Sporting News.
Both BYU and Florida had 21 selectors in 1984.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:03 am to diddlydawg7
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Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:04 am to cyarrr
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They are computer generated calculations that did not come into being until over a half of century later. This is why few if any schools actually claim them.
Do you even know what consensus means? You said that determined a title legitimate. We were consensus.
Do you not even realize that the BCS was determined by computer calculations? Keep digging and contradicting yourself.
And for your information? Here are the years these exitsed:
Berryman 1920-1989
Billingsley 1872-1969
Devold 1939-2006
Houlgate 1927-1949
Litkenhous 1934-1972
Poling 1935-1955
Sagarin 1919-1972
So you tell me which one came into being a half century after the season was played. Georgia was consensus at the time. It was Georgia that decided to claim the title retroactively.
If you don't know what you are talking about drop the conversation
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:05 am to PanhandleSlim
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After the 1984 season selectors were torn between BYU and Florida as to who deserved number one. The AP chose BYU, but overall the number of selectors between the two schools was equal.
Except you are not using NCAA recognized selectors.
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Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:09 am to DawgsLife
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Oh look! Every one of those selectors were not only recognized by the NCAA, but were thought of as just as legitimate as any of the others. Just because you don't recognize them does not disqualify them.
They are selectors, the polls are listed further down in the Wiki article you cited.
Keep on keep on I guess, congrats on being selected the BerryBillinsleydevoldhougateELO-Chess champion by a couple of computer nerds whose grandparents weren't even living at the time the games were played.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:11 am to PanhandleSlim
Tell you what....look at NCAA.org
Count the number of titles the NCAA recognizes and then count how many they recognize for Georgia and see who comes up short.
NCAA.org
Count the number of titles the NCAA recognizes and then count how many they recognize for Georgia and see who comes up short.
NCAA.org
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:12 am to cyarrr
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They are selectors, the polls are listed further down in the Wiki article you cited.
NCAA recognized selectors.
You seem to be deflecting and running away from your consensus remark...so I will ask you again.
Does a consensus make a title legitimate like you said, or not?
This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 9:18 am
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:13 am to DawgsLife
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So you tell me which one came into being a half century after the season was played. Georgia was consensus at the time. It was Georgia that decided to claim the title retroactively.
Nope
You should read up on them. They rank the teams from the time periods you provided but were not in existence at the time the seasons occurred.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:13 am to cyarrr
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congrats on being selected the BerryBillinsleydevoldhougateELO-Chess champion
valid at the time, so thank you.
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by a couple of computer nerds
I'm sure the newspaper journalists and ACTUAL COMPUTERS that made up 66% of the BCS dont' apply to the above
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whose grandparents weren't even living at the time the games were played.
Ah yes, the whole "well it happened so long ago so who cares" argument. Always a classic.
I guess anything that happened before roughly 1975ish shouldn't even count at all right?
Remember how you felt during the 2019 season? Pretty sweet right. Well 80 years from now some shithead teenager is gonna be telepathically debating with strangers about CFB and claim that since it happened so early in the 21st century it doesn't even really mean anything. But it was certainly real to you at the time I bet
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:16 am to cyarrr
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Keep on keep on I guess, congrats on being selected the BerryBillinsleydevoldhougateELO-Chess champion by a couple of computer nerds whose grandparents weren't even living at the time the games were played.
Dude. I showed you the years the selectors/Polls were active and they were active during the 1942 season. Can you not read or are you just being purposely obtuse?
100 years from now if the AP Poll goes away will that make the titles given by them illegitimate? The polls/selectors I cited were all considered legitimate at the time. They were and are still recognized by the NCAA.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:20 am to DawgsLife
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YUou seem to be deflecting and runnig away from your consensus remark...so I will ask you again.
Does a consensus make a title legitimate like you said, or not?
The consensus I speak of is what the actual schools, their fans, coaching community and sports journalist believe the national championships to be. There is a reason schools don't claim these titles.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:20 am to cyarrr
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Nope
You should read up on them. They rank the teams from the time periods you provided but were not in existence at the time the seasons occurred.
Dude. I am not going through every single one of them....but here ius just one more example of how wrong you are:
Along with his brother Frank, Edward invented the Litkenhous ratings system in 1934 to help determine a college football national champion. He sold the rights to the Courier-Journal to put his sons through college. Their "Litratings" use a "margin-of-victory" method.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:22 am to cyarrr
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The consensus I speak of is what the actual schools, their fans, coaching community and sports journalist believe the national championships to be. There is a reason schools don't claim these titles.
And the polls, selectors, schools and coaching community including the NCAA recognize Georgia's National Championship in 1942.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:32 am to DawgsLife
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Dude. I am not going through every single one of them....but here ius just one more example of how wrong you are:
Wrong, most of these selectors are retroactive, but you know that already.
You're not going through everyone of them because it doesn't substantiate your argument.
Off the top of my head Berryman, Billingsey and Saragin are retroactive.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:35 am to DawgsLife
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And the polls, selectors, schools and coaching community including the NCAA recognize Georgia's National Championship in 1942.
Selectors not polls, not any reputable poll for sure.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:37 am to cyarrr
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Wrong, most of these selectors are retroactive, but you know that already.
The Houlgate System, also known as the Deke Houlgate collegiate football rating system, was a mathematical rating system for determining annual college football national championships. The ratings, which rated teams according to the strength of their opponents, were created by Carroll Everard "Deke" Houlgate, Sr., a sports publicist and statistician.[1] Houlgate used his system to select national champions on a current basis from 1927 to 1958. He also applied his ratings methodology retroactively to select national champions for each year from 1885 to 1926.[2] His selections were published in newspapers in the 1930s and 1940s.[3][
Some are and some are not, so what is your point? By your own criteria I have shown that Georgia was and is the consensus champion of 1942.
The BCS used Sagarin as one of it's criteria, but you don't want to accept them as legitimate?
Tell me something. Which would be more accurate? A computer ranking that uses facts such as statistics, results, strength of schedule....or a bunch of sportswriters that cannot possibly watch all of the games?
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:43 am to cyarrr
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Selectors not polls, not any reputable poll for sure.
And a poll is made up by sportswriters or coaches that can't watch all of the games or even most of the games.
And for the record? Each one of those would be made up of individual selectors.
Look. We have gone over your own criteria and shown that Georgia is the legitimate champion for 1942 BY YOUR OWN CRITERIA.
If you want to crawfish away form your own statement go ahead. I don't care if you accept it or not.
The NCAA does, our school does, our fans do, and most reputable sources accept us as champions. If you would like I can show you multiple sources stating that we have three National Championships. But, yeah. Your opinion should mean more.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:44 am to DawgsLife
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Tell you what....look at NCAA.org Count the number of titles the NCAA recognizes and then count how many they recognize for Georgia and see who comes up short
Tell you what…. Look at NCAA.com and see who they list as the 1942 champion and see who comes up short
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:52 am to PanhandleSlim
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Tell you what…. Look at NCAA.com and see who they list as the 1942 champion and see who comes up short
I don't know why we have to explain this every time. NCAA.com is a readers digest version. Go to the actual NCAA site.
NCAA.ORG
This site has the comprehensive list of all championships.
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