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Honest question for Bama fans.....
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:52 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:52 am
Just watching your games, noticed that there aren't as many long TDs this year. Still very good offense. Still very good execution. You'll put up points against us. This is not a put down.
But wondering what the general take is on why the explosive plays are down.
Through five games:
2018 21 30 plus yard plays
2019 16
2020 21
2021 8
Not as much talent at WR? No harm in that when you lost four first rounders.
QB not quite as good?
OLine?
RBs not as talented?
No Sark?
But wondering what the general take is on why the explosive plays are down.
Through five games:
2018 21 30 plus yard plays
2019 16
2020 21
2021 8
Not as much talent at WR? No harm in that when you lost four first rounders.
QB not quite as good?
OLine?
RBs not as talented?
No Sark?
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 7:54 am
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Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:56 am to koreandawg
Young has incredible touch on his short and intermediate throws but he consistently overthrows the deep ball. We have missed several long TDs this year because of it. Hopefully it is just something that will come in time.
ETA: Also, our RBs are serviceable this year and can pick up the hard yards but none of them appear to be much of a threat to break long runs. Again, hopefully this changes as our young RBs get more experience.
ETA: Also, our RBs are serviceable this year and can pick up the hard yards but none of them appear to be much of a threat to break long runs. Again, hopefully this changes as our young RBs get more experience.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 7:58 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:56 am to koreandawg
From my observations, defense against Bama in all of their games this year has been different. Ole Miss defense was a good example. Ole Miss went to a 3-2-6 which is really stupid against a team like Bama who in their worst running seasons can still run roughshod over them. Bama just takes what you give them. The only defense that can give their offense trouble is Georgia's.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:57 am to TheTideMustRoll
Very much appreciate the answer. Always worried over here if everything is taken as some kind of trash talk. It wasn't. I've been impressed with Young. I was hoping he wouldn't be as good. I don't consider on the level with Jones and Tua yet, but he's not that far behind.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:58 am to RickDorf
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From my observations, defense against Bama in all of their games this year has been different. Ole Miss defense was a good example. Ole Miss went to a 3-2-6 which is really stupid against a team like Bama who in their worst running seasons can still run roughshod over them. Bama just takes what you give them. The only defense that can give their offense trouble is Georgia's.
I've seen teams attempt to do that in the previous three years. Still couldn't do it.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:00 am to koreandawg
A combination of it all and throw in Bill O'Brien is running a more conservative offense than what we saw with Sark over the past few years. Alabama almost exclusively runs the ball on first down. I think the game last week against Ole Miss was a run on every single first down play.
There's also less long passes. I think there was one long pass attempt last week which was overthrown. I think playing a bit more ball control is what Coach Saban wants to keep his vulnerable defense off the field and control time of possession.
Edit...for lack of big running play gains. I think this is due to the poor ability of our current WRs blocking down field.
There's also less long passes. I think there was one long pass attempt last week which was overthrown. I think playing a bit more ball control is what Coach Saban wants to keep his vulnerable defense off the field and control time of possession.
Edit...for lack of big running play gains. I think this is due to the poor ability of our current WRs blocking down field.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 8:03 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:01 am to koreandawg
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Not as much talent at WR?
This is 95% of it. Bryce has left a couple of big plays on the field because his deep ball isn't dialed in right now, but Williams and Metchie just don't create the kind of instant separation that Jeudy, Smitty, Ruggs, and Waddle could.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:01 am to koreandawg
Sure thing. Tua and Jones were very different players but they were both pinpoint accurate, especially on deep balls. If Young gets his deep ball up to that level he is going to be scary good. So far he seems basically impossible to fluster. He has an amazing ability to sense pressure and avoid it, all while still looking downfield.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:02 am to koreandawg
Despite still having a mediocre offense, Georgia has a lot of things going for it this year. There are NO lights out offensive teams this year. Not a single one. Alabama's offense is the best there is out there right now and it's their worst since 2017. If any team is setup to win it all in 2021, it is Georgia. The year is favoring Kirby big time.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:08 am to koreandawg
Mac Jones didn't run exclusively what Tua did in 2019. Both were coached by Sarkisian as OC. And so it goes. Find what each guy does best and let her rip.
But if you want to run all that zone we've been seeing, starting with Miami and dropping 7 and 8 in coverage prepare for Bryce Young to slowly and methodically pick you apart. Along with a heavy dose of Brian Robinson.
But if you want to run all that zone we've been seeing, starting with Miami and dropping 7 and 8 in coverage prepare for Bryce Young to slowly and methodically pick you apart. Along with a heavy dose of Brian Robinson.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:13 am to koreandawg
Did you see the WRs on our roster the past few years, along with the QBs? We have a new QB and almost entirely new WR corps. The dropoff was expected.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:14 am to koreandawg
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Not as much talent at WR? No harm in that when you lost four first rounders.
Yes - Metchie isn't a burner and Jameson Williams is still pretty raw. We have a bunch of talented kids but they aren't quite there yet. On top of that, Bryce has been a touch off on 5-6 deep throws that were there that Mac just simply never missed. Add to that the 2 TEs that are great and a major part of the offense and they just aren't big play guys (25+ yard type stuff).
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QB not quite as good?
See above
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OLine?
Not really a factor. They aren't as good as last year, but they've been pretty good.
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RBs not as talented?
Not really a factor - Najee was awesome but he wasn't a big play guy for the most part.
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No Sark?
Probably part of it, but BoB has done a helluva job.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 8:16 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:19 am to The Spleen
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Did you see the WRs on our roster the past few years
Yeah, I did. I mentioned it in the initial post.
For more reference, the last time you opened with so few 30 plus yarders, AJ was your QB.
I hadn't really thought about the guy who said O'brien is running the ball more on first down. But I would think that has a lot to do with it combined with Bryce being not quite as sharp on deep balls.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:19 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Hopefully it is just something that will come in time.
Bama and UGA have, what, 7 more nationally televised Saturday scrimmages before they play each other? Young will be just fine.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 8:23 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:21 am to SummerOfGeorge
Appreciate the answer on all questions.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:22 am to koreandawg
It really does come down to WRs and QB. Last year Mac was just perfect on deep throws and DeVonta was a wizard (plus the first 5 games we had Waddle, too). In previous years we had so many dudes it was just impossible to cover the whole field.
This year, Bryce's only real "fault" has been his deep balls that have been slightly off, and our WRs aren't the same as a whole as 2018/2019 and don't have one elite guy like 2020.
This year, Bryce's only real "fault" has been his deep balls that have been slightly off, and our WRs aren't the same as a whole as 2018/2019 and don't have one elite guy like 2020.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 8:23 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:23 am to koreandawg
This Bama team is a work in progress. If we're as good as we will get then we got problems.
2022 is looking pretty good.
2022 is looking pretty good.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:27 am to koreandawg
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Yeah, I did. I mentioned it in the initial post.
For more reference, the last time you opened with so few 30 plus yarders, AJ was your QB.
I hadn't really thought about the guy who said O'brien is running the ball more on first down. But I would think that has a lot to do with it combined with Bryce being not quite as sharp on deep balls.
But look at Bryce Young's passing percentage and TDs. He's ahead of Mac Jones TD numbers after 5 games.
Does it really matter how he's throwing them? This offense is doing a better job of keeping the competition on the sidelines. Our defense is staying rested as well. Saturday was a great look at what this offense does best. Pick your poison.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:29 am to TS1926
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I think playing a bit more ball control is what Coach Saban wants to keep his vulnerable defense off the field and control time of possession.
Agree, trying to let the defense rest more between series. The only reason we got in a couple of shootouts last year was because we scored too fast and the defense got tired (see Ole Miss and FL).
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:36 am to bamameister
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But look at Bryce Young's passing percentage and TDs. He's ahead of Mac Jones TD numbers after 5 games.
Does it really matter how he's throwing them? This offense is doing a better job of keeping the competition on the sidelines. Our defense is staying rested as well. Saturday was a great look at what this offense does best. Pick your poison.
Was just an observation. If you changed the offense because you wanted to slow it down and felt that played more into your QBs strengths, I'm not arguing. Was just interested in your takes.
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