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Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:14 am to bigDgator
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This is the main problem. People are pussies and can't stomach someone being punished. Parents don't punish their kids when they are bad and people grow up with no respect for authority. When you are among 80,000 people, they don't have the fricking time to sit there and listen to everyone's story about who started it and who didn't.
This is perfect. I took one look at that guy swatting at the cups, holding his phone like an insolent little Karen and, while I couldn’t see any behavior that justified the ensuing tazing/beating, I had a strong suspicion there was a LOT more to the story. And here we are. It’s just unreal how people are willing to make absolute observations from anything they see on the internet.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:15 am to SOSFAN
Only critique is the second officer should had taken the row above him with the tazer when the first officer confronted him. Fight from the high ground and split the guys attention and line of site. Tazer strikes in the back are preferred as there is more muscularity to engage with the probes. Likely the two front hits by the tazer from an angle did not make good contact and he was able to rip out a probe and that rendered the taxer useless. When he threatened to beat the officers or kill them then they were basically compelled at that point. As earlier stated, they were there to remove him, not to plead with him. Hands on fighting ain't pretty but that was far from an arse whipping. I been in this business for over 40 years and that was quiet tame and not an unusual occurrence unfortunately. You have to know the rules of engagement. Cops will be critiqued during the internal review. Everybody gets a little something out of this encounter.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:15 am to SOSFAN
Only critique is the second officer should had taken the row above him with the tazer when the first officer confronted him. Fight from the high ground and split the guys attention and line of site. Tazer strikes in the back are preferred as there is more muscularity to engage with the probes. Likely the two front hits by the tazer from an angle did not make good contact and he was able to rip out a probe and that rendered the taxer useless. When he threatened to beat the officers or kill them then they were basically compelled at that point. As earlier stated, they were there to remove him, not to plead with him. Hands on fighting ain't pretty but that was far from an arse whipping. I been in this business for over 40 years and that was quiet tame and not an unusual occurrence unfortunately. You have to know the rules of engagement. Cops will be critiqued during the internal review. Everybody gets a little something out of this encounter.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:17 am to thatthang
I’m a pretty reasonable person, and there was no way in my wildest dreams. I would’ve expected the things that he said to have been said.
“ I’m gonna kill a cop”
Come on no one expected that to be on the body cam footage. It’s just not reasonable.
But tasing him after resisting after he had said that makes perfect sense now
Also him fighting against getting the cuffs put on and screaming, bring it on and racial slurs obviously makes the beating he took seem less and less egregious
“ I’m gonna kill a cop”
Come on no one expected that to be on the body cam footage. It’s just not reasonable.
But tasing him after resisting after he had said that makes perfect sense now
Also him fighting against getting the cuffs put on and screaming, bring it on and racial slurs obviously makes the beating he took seem less and less egregious
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:21 am to YStar
That dude is far from a good ol baw.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:30 am to bigDgator
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People are pussies and can't stomach someone being punished.
Police officers are not supposed to punish people in the streets.
They are supposed to arrest them using the least possible amount of force required. Then the court system, either a judge or jury, are supposed to levy down the punishment.
Cops that do in fact believe their job is to administer punishment often find themselves in a world of shite.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:31 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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it's also sad that you stalk me and follow me around on here all day every day you're either cajunbama, or your cajunbama's boyfriend
This is more classically feminine behavior on your part. You are incapable of owning up to a small mistake. Instead of acting like a man and admitting you rushed to judgment, you cling to your victimhood and lash out at your intellectual superiors who, in pointing out your irrationality, were only trying to help you see reason. Pathetic.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:33 am to AwgustaDawg
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Another way would be to ask the man to leave, when he refused tell him he has no choice and simply wait until the patron makes a move. Chances are pretty good that outside of a complete lunatic the patron will eventually leave of their own accord and save everyone a lot of trouble and not expose the cops to any more risk than walking up and down the stairs.
So, if the guy does nothing for the rest of the game, he gets too see its completion live despite being told he was ejected?
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:41 am to tigerskin
Fight with the cops and you are going to lose every time. They bring their buddies and you can't whip all of them. In the olden days, before tasers, they would have taken some blackjacks to your arse.
I have no empathy for this a-hole. He wanted a fight and he got accommodated.
Full disclosure, I have LEOs in my family.
I have no empathy for this a-hole. He wanted a fight and he got accommodated.
Full disclosure, I have LEOs in my family.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:06 am to southernboisb
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o, if the guy does nothing for the rest of the game, he gets too see its completion live despite being told he was ejected?
Far better scenario than fighting in the stands and someone possibly being seriously injured or killed. At some point dude is going to leave, he ain't going to live there forever. And at some point the pressure from others in the area, directed at him, is going to make his decision to stay very uncomfortable. It happens on planes pretty regularly unfortunately...some a-hole is asked to get off, they refuse, the flight is delayed and the entire plane turns on the son of a bitch and eventually he leaves. Its unpleasant for everyone but no one is suing anyone and no one has to buy a suit and reserve a spot in the front window of the funeral home.
A massive part of what makes the job of policing dangerous (not as dangerous as pretended) is fighting. It can be avoided and the end result will be the same....the fricker is taken into custody, tossed out of the stadium, whatever the end result is. Fighting also works BUT it can result in the officer's being injured or worse...and it can also result in the a-hole being injured.
I would bet a cold beer that in this scenario if 30 or 40 cops show up in the stands and the game is stopped until the situation is resolved .and the cops explain that the charges, which are going to come eventually, one way or another, are mounting with every ticking second, combined with 80,000 people ready to tear the fricker limb from limb because the game is stopped that old boy suddenly decides going nicely with the cops is his best option.
In any occupation hazards are analyzed if the people responsible for managing labor are not complete idiots. When you identify a potential threat to employee safety you take steps to mitigate those risks. Roofing contractors don't have roofers slipping off 12/12 pitched roofs without considering installing toe boards and using fall protection. What cops and cop managers is doing is not only not mitigating fighting with drunk assholes and in fact encouraging it is akin to a roofing contractor concluding that falling is just part of the job. It is fricking insane.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:09 am to captdalton
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Police officers are not supposed to punish people in the streets.
They are supposed to arrest them using the least possible amount of force required. Then the court system, either a judge or jury, are supposed to levy down the punishment.
Cops that do in fact believe their job is to administer punishment often find themselves in a world of shite.
Their first and foremost job should be to ensure the safety of the public. Arresting someone should be secondary to THAT. It is entirely possible that not only the cops and the a-hole could have been seriously injured fighting in those close quarters but so could bystanders who had no place to go.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:12 am to Shunface
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First words out of his mouth “I’m going to kill a cop.”
Dumbass captdalton - tHe cOp Is BeInG sUpEr aGGrEsSiVe!
That is patently false. We literally can watch the video and hear that he first told them the attendant had assaulted him and he had video of it. They didn’t care, instead the one cop went to grab him. And that is when things went really sideways.
I think the guy acted like a complete jackass. I also think the cops could have handled it better.
I don’t think anyone in this thread has said the guy was in the right. You don’t need to lie about something we can all see and hear though to make your point.
Again, I go back to how unusual it is to see two separate incidents like this from the same game. It this was perfect policing, why don’t we see video’s from multiple games every weekend where cops are beating on fans? Almost every SEC game is full of 80,000+ fans, many drunk and emotional. And everyone has a video camera in their pocket. How do so many other departments seem to avoid incidents like this if this is how unruly fans should be dealt with?
If this is how police should respond to unruly fans, why aren’t we inundated with videos like this from other games every week?
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:18 am to bunkerhill
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Fight with the cops and you are going to lose every time. They bring their buddies and you can't whip all of them. In the olden days, before tasers, they would have taken some blackjacks to your arse.
I have no empathy for this a-hole. He wanted a fight and he got accommodated.
Full disclosure, I have LEOs in my family.
Fighting with cops is a terrible idea. Cops fighting with the public is an equally bad idea when it is the first choice and not a last ditch effort to control a stiuation. I have LEOs in my family and know several and have known quite a few. Every last one of them enjoyed fighting. Actually had an Uncle who was famously involved in an unprovoked attack on Rico Carty (an outfielder for the Braves). Carty was eventually arrested and all charges dismissed and all 3 cops fired. They were all 3 quietly rehired 2 weeks later and received their wages for those weeks. My Uncle thought this was the best thing to ever happen in his life....and that man LOVED to fight....would fight at the drop of a hat. He and my Dad were running buddies and if they couldn't find someone else to fight they'd fight one another.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:23 am to thatthang
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anyone who went all Karen, like you did
you preach on emotion while you write stupid shite like this
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emotionally calling for the cops’ heads from an incomplete snapshot is clearly a person who is not governed by rational thought.
the cop who simply beat the shite out of that guy, also beat the shite out of the old man in the separate incident, so again, that part was not an incomplete snapshot at all, and you know it
the Karen's are the little douchebags on here who are so insecure, like you, who need people to "come apologize" for something so that they can absorb that into their personal life long dealing with their inferiority complex
the cop beating the shite out of two different people will not get off on that, unless Jacksonville is a complete police state
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:24 am to LSBoosie
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I feel bad for his 5 kids.
It all excalated because they didn't allow his kids back to their section because they didn't have cell phones, which is where their tickets were saved on the fathers cell phone. He got pissed and chewed out a cop to let his kids into the section (to their seats). Then the cops came to kick him out of the statium because of how he acted about his kids not being allowed to their seats (because they didn't have tickets on them.)
Then this video explains second half of story.
1) this guy is an idiot
2) it never should have gotten to this point
3) cops should have never tried to run kids out of the stadium without their parents being present.
All parties screwed up this day but this guy got what he deserved based on the comments heard on this cop camera.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:28 am to thatthang
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This is more classically feminine behavior on your part. You are incapable of owning up to a small mistake. Instead of acting like a man and admitting you rushed to judgment, you cling to your victimhood and lash out at your intellectual superiors who, in pointing out your irrationality, were only trying to help you see reason. Pathetic.
you are like 5 feet tall, and your inferiority complex is about 8 feet tall
holy shite little girl, you need to sky scream it out and get help
Think about it...again...you NEED people to "own up to a mistake" on a video where the sound was off. You have serious mommy issues. Someone hurt you badly, and you need to preach to the world about how sad you are.
You talk about "victimhood", obviously because you are projecting. You've had to deal with the topic in your own situation, so you're aware of the concept, and you accuse other people of it. Damn
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:29 am to YStar
quote:you sound like the same white trash that was in the video. Only a beta version, keyboard warrior on a message board hurling epithets.
Hey dumbass
According to your one-dimensional thinking, someone should beat you up because you called them a name.
If you can’t produce analytical thought you shouldn’t be commenting on this topic.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:36 am to mthorn2
Yep, I think there is probably room to put at least a little blame on all parties involved; ticket attendant, idiot who is now probably facing felonies, and the officers.
I think common sense could have avoided things going this haywire.
The fact that the JSO was so quick to schedule a press conference and release this body cam footage makes me think they believe this was a good response. Which may explain why there are videos of two separate incidences of their officers tuning up fans with their fists.
Does anyone have any videos from any other SEC games this year where cops are in a fist fight with fans inside the stadium?
I think common sense could have avoided things going this haywire.
The fact that the JSO was so quick to schedule a press conference and release this body cam footage makes me think they believe this was a good response. Which may explain why there are videos of two separate incidences of their officers tuning up fans with their fists.
Does anyone have any videos from any other SEC games this year where cops are in a fist fight with fans inside the stadium?
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:43 am to Demosthenian
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According to your one-dimensional thinking, someone should beat you up because you called them a name.
You make a good point. Based on this line of thinking, it will be perfectly acceptable for me to tase and beat the hell out of the guy that called me a dumbass. Thank you for bringing this to light.
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