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re: Herbstreit: People are failing to grasp this is a new era
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:13 pm to IAmReality
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:13 pm to IAmReality
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He basically said something that's true, people look at the committee's rankings through the same lens that they did the polls and that's clearly not how it works anymore, so they're confused.
It never should have been this way. If the 5th ranked team has the first four teams ranked on its schedule and loses to them all, that said team could still be the fifth best with four losses. People don't understand logic.
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:16 pm to JCdawg
Exactly. Very well put!
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:23 pm to 14&Counting
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Do you not see the flaw in your logic....Bama beats Team X. Team X was a Top 10 team when Bama played them. Bama beats the crap out of Team X and Team X drops in the polls. Hence, everyone says Team X isn't a quality win because they are now not ranked as high.
It's a ridiculous premise.
Early in the season yes, but it is November. We pretty much know all we need to know about every team and team's have had the ability to overcome losses and prove themselves by this point. I mean is anybody questioning Ole Miss's win over bama just because bama lost? No.
By your logic LSU beat a top 10 team in Auburn. Do you not see the flaw in that logic?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:28 pm to GTSwarms
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don't see how Baylor can be a Top 4 with their putrid schedule
FIFY
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:33 pm to GTSwarms
I don't see how Ohio State can be a Top 4 with their putrid schedule
And luckily for all you Buckeye haters Michigan State should beat them in two weeks and that will take care of it. The Buckeyes still have three really tough games ahead of them, if they get to Indianapolis for the B1GCG. I think they'll lose to MSU and beat UM. But then Michigan State still has to go to Lincoln. I know Nebraska is hot garbage this year, but that could be a trap game. Then they still have OSU and close with a 7-2 Penn State. Not that easy of a road to hoe.
And luckily for all you Buckeye haters Michigan State should beat them in two weeks and that will take care of it. The Buckeyes still have three really tough games ahead of them, if they get to Indianapolis for the B1GCG. I think they'll lose to MSU and beat UM. But then Michigan State still has to go to Lincoln. I know Nebraska is hot garbage this year, but that could be a trap game. Then they still have OSU and close with a 7-2 Penn State. Not that easy of a road to hoe.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:45 pm to IAmReality
People are forgetting there is an eyeball test for this committee and having Bama ahead of Florida definitely makes sense. Florida could not be Bama if they played right now. Ohio state that high is bullshite tho.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:19 pm to RandySavage
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By your logic LSU beat a top 10 team in Auburn. Do you not see the flaw in that logic?
One thing you are failing to account for is what can happen to a team over the course of a season. For example, Bama beats #8 UGA on the road. However, the very next weekend, Chubb goes down with a season ending injury and UGA's offense goes into the shitter and UGA drops more games. By your reasoning however, Bama's win wasn't impressive enough due to UGA's later season losses after they lost their best playmaker.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:36 pm to Skeeterpop
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Should you get credit for selling you car for $10,000 when it was only worth $6,000?
If I was told it was a Lamborghini and found out after I bought it that it was only a Lamborghini shell on top of a Karmen Ghia frame, I wouldn't go around saying I had a Lamborghini.
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Should you get credit for marrying a 20 year old hottie who all the guys drool over or should you be judged by her 20 years and 100+ lbs later?
You keep making the same mistake over and over. She wasn't 20 when I married her, I only thought she was. It turns out she was 40, but I didn't know until she turned 60 that she was 40 when I married her instead of 20.
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Its perception and points in time. We cant correct that for the future. Its impossible!
It's not impossible.
You look at what a team has accomplished at the end of the season. If a team goes undefeated against 12 teams that each went 0-12, it doesn't matter what any of those teams were ranked at the beginning of the season, they all sucked.
I really don't see how you don't understand this.
A win against an undefeated #18 Auburn in September doesn't look as good in December when Auburn is 4-8. No committee should look at that and say, "Yes, well Auburn sucks, but LSU didn't know that when they beat them 45-21."
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:38 pm to Skeeterpop
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A team should get some credit for defeating the team they played and that teams perceived strength at that point in time.
You gotta be kidding me with that shite. Talk about squishy.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:39 pm to IAmReality
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The committee's rankings are arrived at in a much more complicated process than everyone just submitting a ballot.
What a laugh.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:40 pm to BayouBengals03
Bama will prove themselves or remove themselves from the discussion this weekend, so it's a moot point anyway. However, I love that the committee doesn't just keep a team that is undefeated against a crap schedule like Baylor or Iowa ahead of legit teams like BAMA and ND. Good for the committee, and yes Florida should be ranked higher.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:43 pm to IAmReality
Many fans don't think it's that big of a deal. But it is setting up something for the future if/when a team like Notre Dame plays no one, has a single loss, and moves ahead of more deserving teams. The difference might be that at least Alabama has a few tough games ahead and can earn the spot, but ND might not ... just as an example.
Committee; "Yeah, but in past years we put one-loss teams in the top 4 (ala SEC teams). Now it's Notre Dame. No big deal."
Then the SECr will truly blow up.
Committee; "Yeah, but in past years we put one-loss teams in the top 4 (ala SEC teams). Now it's Notre Dame. No big deal."
Then the SECr will truly blow up.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:46 pm to tider04
It's quite apparent to me, as it should be to anyone, that the playoff committee has presented what it THINKS are the four BEST teams, not the four teams with the best achievements.
IMHO, that's wrong now just as it was wrong under the BCS.
This committee should be ranking teams according to their resumes, not according to reputations or subjective perceptions.
There is now and always has been a scientific, unbiased way to rank teams for national championships or playoffs, according to the same principles employed by the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, etc, etc, etc. That is, BEFORE the season the teams get together and decide the formulas and tiebreakers to employ. If a "better" team gets left out of the playoffs then that's just subjective, anyway... and it's something to which they, themselves, agreed to play the season.
IMHO, that's wrong now just as it was wrong under the BCS.
This committee should be ranking teams according to their resumes, not according to reputations or subjective perceptions.
There is now and always has been a scientific, unbiased way to rank teams for national championships or playoffs, according to the same principles employed by the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, etc, etc, etc. That is, BEFORE the season the teams get together and decide the formulas and tiebreakers to employ. If a "better" team gets left out of the playoffs then that's just subjective, anyway... and it's something to which they, themselves, agreed to play the season.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:50 pm to 257WBY
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The problem I have with Alabama ranked so high is the terrible QB play. If we are talking eye test, Coker doesn't pass the test.
In big games he does.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:56 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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In big games he does.
what big games?
NR - Wisconsin
NR - Mid Tennessee
18 - Ole Miss
NR - UL Monroe
NR - Georgia
NR - Arkansas
19 - A&M
NR - Tennessee
so does he get a pass for Ole Miss because he wasn't the starter?
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:12 pm to Fishhead
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Other than that game, they have two other common opponents that both beat.
Lol, no they don't. Alabama beat the shite out of Georgia when Chubb was 100% healthy. They shut down one of the best rbs in the country until he finally broke loose on one run long after the game was over. The committee obviously values Bama's win at Georgia more, and rightfully so.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 4:37 pm to BearBait09
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NR - Wisconsin
Opener, they'll probably finish 10-2. He played well.
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18 - Ole Miss
His stats don't look great, but he came in and played his heart out. He was the reason we kept coming back and almost won. This is nationally accepted.
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NR - Georgia
Will finish with 8 or 9 wins, if they still had Chubb as they did when we played them make that 9 or 10. He played well.
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19 - A&M
On the road against a good team. He played well.
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NR - Tennessee
Rivalry game against a team with a misleading record, it was a tight game and he played well.
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so does he get a pass for Ole Miss because he wasn't the starter?
Jake Coker is unbeaten as a starter in College Football
Posted on 11/4/15 at 4:41 pm to TJGator1215
Sorry, Florida, tEast is hot garbage.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 5:14 pm to harmonics
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LSU is #2 in the playoff poll, ahead of defending champ Ohio State and all they want to talk about is where Alabama is ranked. It is pathetic
Spoken like a lil bitch
It'll all take care of itself Saturday skippy
Posted on 11/4/15 at 5:18 pm to RollTide1987
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They are the conspiracy theorists of the SEC, a fan base so insecure about their perceived status in the conference that they think all of college football is out to get them
Serious question
Who's fanbase has more idiots than anyone in CFB?
It's not even close
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