Started By
Message
re: Herbstreit: People are failing to grasp this is a new era
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:40 am to 14&Counting
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:40 am to 14&Counting
quote:
Do you not see the flaw in your logic....Bama beats Team X. Team X was a Top 10 team when Bama played them. Bama beats the crap out of Team X and Team X drops in the polls. Hence, everyone says Team X isn't a quality win because they are now not ranked as high.
So you actually believe that Auburn was the 6th best team in the country at the start of the season?
Talk about ridiculous.
1
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:40 am to cas4t
I'd say Baylor has the hardest road left in the Big XII. They have @ K-State tomorrow, Home to Oklahoma, @OK St, @ TCU and home to the Longhorns. They absolutely cannot pull an Oklahoma and lose to Texas at the end of the year, at home. But if they play that schedule with one close loss, the committee may give them a nod. Actually you could be looking at a PAC-12 and ACC champ left out this year, if Clemson doesn't go undefeated. Or if FSU loses again. But if FSU wins out ( unlikely ) it would be at Clemson and at Florida. And the ACC title game. That would be a damn good resume too.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:40 am to cas4t
quote:
LSU has the highest SOS in the SEC.
Remaining, not up to.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:43 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
So you actually believe that Auburn was the 6th best team in the country at the start of the season?
Had someone gone in and beat an undefeated Auburn does that somehow diminish that win? Should the team that beat #6 AU be penalized because AU turns into a dumpster fire?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:44 am to Lg
quote:Nope. LSU would be around number 10. Only Alabama and Notre Dame are the glory boys of college and can get away with having a loss and still get in the playoffs. Bama lost to Ole Miss who loss to Memphis and is still somehow ranked number 4. B.S. This is ESPN and the powers that be pushing for Bama and Notre Dame to get in.
Do you think, for example, if LSU would have lost to Florida by 6 there would have been a chance that Florida could have been sitting in the #2 spot and LSU at #4?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:45 am to BayouBengals03
I agree with you about the discrepancies in Alabama & Florida rankings.
I do like the fact that SOS is being given a lot of weight.
We are only a couple of days from claifying where Bama should be ranked so overall I think the committee is doing a good job.
I do like the fact that SOS is being given a lot of weight.
We are only a couple of days from claifying where Bama should be ranked so overall I think the committee is doing a good job.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:52 am to aspiclark
quote:
bama has the same record as uf with a stronger strength of schedule and a stronger strength of record, period.
Their Strength of schedule is not that much different to warrant
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:54 am to Fishhead
quote:
I have no problem with Clemson at #1
I do.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:55 am to IAmReality
What people are failing to grasp is Yay, Alabama.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:01 pm to 14&Counting
quote:
Had someone gone in and beat an undefeated Auburn does that somehow diminish that win?
If Auburn had not won a single game all season, the first team they played should not have the benefit of a top-10 win. I'm not sure why that doesn't make sense to you. The rankings were wrong, Auburn was never a top-ten level team this season. What 'diminishes the win' would be Auburn going winless.
quote:
Should the team that beat #6 AU be penalized because AU turns into a dumpster fire?
Do your pants zip in the back? Cause you got this shite turned all around. There is no penalty for winning a game. The winner should not be given extra credit for beating a top-ten team when that team was obviously a dumpster fire waiting for a match.
Nobody would be taking any wins away from a team, but for the love of Fat Little Blue-Eyed Baby Jesus, a team should NEVER, EVER get credit for a win over a 'top-ten' team that ends up winless.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:06 pm to IAmReality
quote:
The committee is prioritizing strength of schedule much more than the polls ever did,
quote:Ohio state being ranked third pretty much disproves this
The committee's rankings are arrived at in a much more complicated process than everyone just submitting a ballot. This makes the committee's rankings much more fluid potentially than the polls ever were.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:30 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
The rankings are ALWAYS wrong the week after. Dont you guys get that???
They can only be at best a snapshot in time of perceived strength. Nothing more.
Clemson is ranked #1 now. When they lose, which they will at some point IMO, they will fall from #1 and we can all say the "rankings were wrong".
No, they were not wrong. It was perception at that point in time that had then ranked first. So the rankings were correct at that time.
Sure Auburn does not look, feel or is perceived to be #6 anymore. But several weeks ago, perception was they would be very good this year. That was from countless analyst across the country.
Rankings can only be a reflection in time of a groups perceived strength. They can not and will never be CORRECT. Ever!!!! Let that sink in. There is no World where any rankings are 100% correct. Probably never even 80% correct. But they are the method in which we use to communicate perceived strength.
They can only be at best a snapshot in time of perceived strength. Nothing more.
Clemson is ranked #1 now. When they lose, which they will at some point IMO, they will fall from #1 and we can all say the "rankings were wrong".
No, they were not wrong. It was perception at that point in time that had then ranked first. So the rankings were correct at that time.
Sure Auburn does not look, feel or is perceived to be #6 anymore. But several weeks ago, perception was they would be very good this year. That was from countless analyst across the country.
Rankings can only be a reflection in time of a groups perceived strength. They can not and will never be CORRECT. Ever!!!! Let that sink in. There is no World where any rankings are 100% correct. Probably never even 80% correct. But they are the method in which we use to communicate perceived strength.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:43 pm to Skeeterpop
Today is only about today. Sat. will take care of the Bama LSU debate. If UF runs the table and wins the SEC that will take care of that.
People can't be as stupid as they post.
Next week it will be different. Give it a chance to work it self out...
People can't be as stupid as they post.
Next week it will be different. Give it a chance to work it self out...
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:47 pm to Skeeterpop
quote:
The rankings are ALWAYS wrong the week after. Dont you guys get that???
They can only be at best a snapshot in time of perceived strength. Nothing more.
Clemson is ranked #1 now. When they lose, which they will at some point IMO, they will fall from #1 and we can all say the "rankings were wrong".
No, they were not wrong. It was perception at that point in time that had then ranked first. So the rankings were correct at that time.
Sure Auburn does not look, feel or is perceived to be #6 anymore. But several weeks ago, perception was they would be very good this year. That was from countless analyst across the country.
Rankings can only be a reflection in time of a groups perceived strength. They can not and will never be CORRECT. Ever!!!! Let that sink in. There is no World where any rankings are 100% correct. Probably never even 80% correct. But they are the method in which we use to communicate perceived strength.
Good lord, what are you going on about?
Just answer me this, should a team get credit for beating a top ten team if that alleged top ten team doesn't win a single game all year?
I say no.
You seem to say they should because [melt].
I, obviously, disagree with you.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:49 pm to IAmReality
The other good point he made was that you have to look at your schedule and your conference and adjust your OOC schedule accordingly if you plan on making a run at the playoffs.
I've been saying that style points, margin of victory, or just good ole running up the score "matters again", at least with these rankings that does not appear to be the case.
I've been saying that style points, margin of victory, or just good ole running up the score "matters again", at least with these rankings that does not appear to be the case.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:55 pm to Herman Frisco
quote:
Give it a chance to work it self out...
That will get you banned.
I mean, think about it, if we were all circumspect and let things work out before commenting, what would happen to the click count on this site?
No, we should go off half-cocked,and respond in kind. That's what keeps this shite show afloat.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:56 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Should you get credit for selling you car for $10,000 when it was only worth $6,000?
Should a stock broker be graded on the point in time choices he makes or should he be graded when sitting at home with millions and all the companies he made money off of are bankrupt?
Should you get credit for marrying a 20 year old hottie who all the guys drool over or should you be judged by her 20 years and 100+ lbs later?
Time changes everything. You use everything you know and have to make choices and decisions. If I saw your wife now I would think differently than had I seen her 20 years prior.
Its perception and points in time. We cant correct that for the future. Its impossible!
Should a stock broker be graded on the point in time choices he makes or should he be graded when sitting at home with millions and all the companies he made money off of are bankrupt?
Should you get credit for marrying a 20 year old hottie who all the guys drool over or should you be judged by her 20 years and 100+ lbs later?
Time changes everything. You use everything you know and have to make choices and decisions. If I saw your wife now I would think differently than had I seen her 20 years prior.
Its perception and points in time. We cant correct that for the future. Its impossible!
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:01 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
And to answer your question. Yes! A team should get some credit for defeating the team they played and that teams perceived strength at that point in time. Once all the games have been played and you have a much large database of facts and information you can then use that info to make an informed decision from that point in time. But just as soon as you make it. In reality its already wrong and time will prove that out.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:03 pm to IAmReality
I don't see how Ohio State can be a Top 4 with their putrid schedule
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:04 pm to Herman Frisco
quote:
People can't be as stupid as they post.
They can be. LSU fans have always been reactionary and defensive. They are the conspiracy theorists of the SEC, a fan base so insecure about their perceived status in the conference that they think all of college football is out to get them.
Page 10 of 12
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News