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Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:41 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:41 pm to lsufball19
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Never said they did
But Colorado didn’t either
Compared to the SEC? No, they certainly didn’t.
Compared to Boise State? Yeah, their week to week competition was in a totally different league than Boise’s.
Give credit to Boise for playing Oregon, but don’t get me started on naming the teams that gave up more points to Penn State than Oregon (hint: it’s 2 B1G teams with a combined B1G record of 1-17 along with Kent State…that’s it) and how the vaunted #1 team was up by 3 with 6 minutes left to….checks notes…the Idaho Vandals. Oregon’s defense wasn’t that good this year; they just outscored the only decent offenses they played (OSU, Penn State, and even Boise State were all games in the 30s…even bad Washington and Michigan teams put up 3 scores on them).
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:47 pm to BamaBravesPackers
There are no elite defenses in college football anymore. 2021 Georgia was an anomaly.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:49 pm to lsufball19
Did you watch any Colorado games? My son forced me to have them on our 2nd TV this year after we drove by their stadium on our way to the Rocky Mountains last year. Hunter was double teamed a lot, and teams rarely threw the ball his way when on defense.
Same thing happened to his coach back in his prime (bad pun, I know). It’s a lot easier to get the ball when all the QB has to do is turn and hand it to you and your team has substantially better recruits than the entire rest of the conference. Check out Boise States recruiting vs the rest of the MW, then compare to Colorado’s vs the rest of the B12…think you’ll see it’s not even close how much more Boise was stacked against their competition.
Same thing happened to his coach back in his prime (bad pun, I know). It’s a lot easier to get the ball when all the QB has to do is turn and hand it to you and your team has substantially better recruits than the entire rest of the conference. Check out Boise States recruiting vs the rest of the MW, then compare to Colorado’s vs the rest of the B12…think you’ll see it’s not even close how much more Boise was stacked against their competition.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:51 pm to BamaBravesPackers
quote:no, not even compared to Boise
Compared to Boise State? Yeah
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:52 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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Hunter was double teamed a lot, and teams rarely threw the ball his way when on defense.
So IOW coaches had game plans to stop what Colorado does well? Yeah, teams did that against Boise too
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:57 pm to lsufball19
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So IOW coaches had game plans to stop what Colorado does well? Yeah, teams did that against Boise too
Yeah, they’re the same. Good call…smh
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:59 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Maybe get off this schedule bullshite. It’s a terrible argument. Stop digging your heels in it’s a bad look
Posted on 12/15/24 at 5:01 pm to lsufball19
Bro, you just said the MW was on par with the B12 in competition and that stopping a RB was the same as stopping a WR on offense. I’m not going to argue with you anymore. If you played even a single down of high school football or higher, I’d be shocked.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 5:04 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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Bro, you just said the MW was on par with the B12 in competition and that stopping a RB was the same as stopping a WR on offense
No. I said Colorado’s schedule and Boise’s schedule were both comparably bad because they were. You then went on a tangent about their opponents SOS
And yes, defenses will scheme to stop the other team’s strength. Teams will stack boxes to stop running backs. Teams will double good receivers.
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I’m not going to argue with you anymore.
Great, you’re not good at it
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If you played even a single down of high school football or higher, I’d be shocked.
Ah, I see we’ve reached this part of the “argument.”
“You don’t know ball.” Good talk bud
Posted on 12/15/24 at 5:17 pm to lsufball19
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And yes, defenses will scheme to stop the other team’s strength. Teams will stack boxes to stop running backs. Teams will double good receivers.
Stacking the box works if the teams are on par physically and the offense isn’t balanced. Boise State had 220 passing yds per game and 250 rushing yards per game, against teams they outmanned and out “physicalled.” Stacking the box and run blitzing actually opens up long runs when you are outmanned, which you’d know if you played or coached. That’s why Jeanty got so many breakaway touchdowns. Stacking the box won’t always stop a RB.
It’s very easy to double team a WR and take him out of the game if the team can’t run the ball. Colorado had no balance, they only ran for 70 yards per game. They didn’t have the better OL in every conference game like Boise did. You keep digging deeper, and you keep showing your lack of football knowledge.
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 12/15/24 at 6:39 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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It’s very easy to double team a WR and take him out of the game if the team can’t run the ball.
Or, you know, spread the ball around to other receivers like Colorado did
Posted on 12/15/24 at 6:56 pm to BamaBravesPackers
I agree.
AJ2 played 1 P4 team, the second week of the season. That being Oregon; whose rush defense is #35.
He then played 12 against G5 competition, the highest being SJSU at #79.
He also played more games than Barry Sanders. If anything , any all rushing records he breaks should have a huge *.
There was no way.
This is basically what Colt Brennan did at QB, by the way in the same conference basically .. most of those school are now MWC; but at QB instead of RB.
He didn’t deserve it then and AJ2 doesn’t deserve it as well.
AJ2 played 1 P4 team, the second week of the season. That being Oregon; whose rush defense is #35.
He then played 12 against G5 competition, the highest being SJSU at #79.
He also played more games than Barry Sanders. If anything , any all rushing records he breaks should have a huge *.
There was no way.
This is basically what Colt Brennan did at QB, by the way in the same conference basically .. most of those school are now MWC; but at QB instead of RB.
He didn’t deserve it then and AJ2 doesn’t deserve it as well.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:05 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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There’s at least 3 backs just in the SEC that would have had the same or better stats if they switched places with Jeanty.
Name the 3
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:13 pm to 195bc
It's pure Deion bias and I don't even like Deion
Hunter absolutely deserved it
Hunter absolutely deserved it
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:14 pm to Sonofthetruth
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Name the 3
Sampson
Hunter
And a healthy L. Moss just to start.
But I’d put Rocket Sanders and Jam Miller highly likely as well if playing the same competition and getting the same number of carries.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 7:20 pm to lsufball19
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Or, you know, spread the ball around to other receivers like Colorado did
You literally just proved my point. Colorado had to spread the ball around because Hunter was double teamed most of the time.
Opponents didn’t have to stack the box against them, and just dared the other targets to beat them (which they did several times, and the other teams certainly weren’t going to start doubling other targets instead of Hunter even if losing). I’m glad you are finally starting to see the light.
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 12/15/24 at 9:05 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Have you watched this kid play this season?
All those backs are very talented, but Jeanty is on another level. We haven’t seen a back like him in a while.
He will be a better pro than Hunter IMO.
All those backs are very talented, but Jeanty is on another level. We haven’t seen a back like him in a while.
He will be a better pro than Hunter IMO.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 9:18 pm to BLG
To be fair, no one really remembers 2020 due to it being all fricked up.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 8:58 am to lewis and herschel
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My big thing is Jeanty lifted that team to the playoffs while Hunter lifted his team to some shite bowl game.
Against an in-conference opponent.
And they lost to both Kansas schools.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:08 am to CNB
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So being above average at two positions is Heisman worthy these days
You can't deny it's impressive and not something anyone could do.
Jeanty had a big time year and nobody would have complained if he won but he also played against a much weaker schedule.
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