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re: Had an interesting conversation with a former SEC football player

Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:16 pm to
Posted by Crowknowsbest
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:16 pm to
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And I don't believe ANY 18 year old kid should be different.

Even if their skills are more valuable than yours?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:17 pm to
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Because nobody is interested in paying of it.


Wait. Are you saying we have had the likes of the USFL and Arena League Football....and you don't believe anyone would be interested in having a league with kids straight out of high school to play football? I mean a similar model (The current college football Model) makes billions off it. Think if a private company came in and started a league, drafting high school players and paying them. How long do you think college football would last?
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:20 pm to
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A lot of illegal aliens send money back to Mexico too. Does that make it alright?
Well go on Arky's campus and stop all the athletes from getting money first.
Posted by lsufan31
MS
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:20 pm to
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Even if their skills are more valuable than yours?


No one right out of high school can "realize" their full earning potential. And it doesn't matter which market you are in, the more you work hard, and show that your talent/skills are of value to someone, the more you get paid. That's the story in America. The problem with these football players is that they want to get started collecting a little early.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:21 pm to
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Wait. Are you saying we have had the likes of the USFL and Arena League Football....and you don't believe anyone would be interested in having a league with kids straight out of high school to play football? I mean a similar model (The current college football Model) makes billions off it. Think if a private company came in and started a league, drafting high school players and paying them. How long do you think college football would last?

Couldn't happen. TV networks would block it. Too much money at stake with current setup.
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:22 pm to
I think college football succeeds because of the tradition, regional affiliation, etc. I don't think you can replicate that in a way that would be financially viable.

USFL and Arena league have not been long term successes and players hold off the field jobs at the very least for Arena. Honestly, I think it would be seen as a crappy version of the NFL like other competitors. If there was real money to be made, don't you think someone would have cracked the business model by now?

FYI, USFL lost $163 million.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:23 pm to
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No one right out of high school can "realize" their full earning potential.

Sure they do. We're also not talking about full earning potential. Any earning potential would suffice.
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And it doesn't matter which market you are in, the more you work hard, and show that your talent/skills are of value to someone, the more you get paid.

That would still be true.
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That's the story in America. The problem with these football players is that they want to get started collecting a little early.

Nothing more American than barriers to entry.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:26 pm to
"Poor" college athelete...

This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 1:27 pm
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:26 pm to
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What other feasible option does he have to continue pursuing a career in football while getting a paycheck?

Colleges have the market on 18-22 years old football monopolized. There is no other avenue to choose.



CFL
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:30 pm to
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CFL

Nope
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:32 pm to
Exactly. And why don't they go to Canada? Because Canadian Football, like the nFL, already has a lot of good players and most college players wouldn't make the cut. And the players who think they have what it takes are getting the coaching, training, and experience to hopefully make the NFL.
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8175 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:33 pm to
This is why the CFL says it doesn't want you straight out of high school.

“These adjustments will provide our teams with a better opportunity to select the best players available who are ready and able to join their club in training camp that season,”
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:35 pm to
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“These adjustments will provide our teams with a better opportunity to select the best players available who are ready and able to join their club in training camp that season,”

Because there is already a free farm system in place to develop players for them. It would be stupid of them to take on the risk of high school players if they don't have to.
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15391 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:49 pm to
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Nope



That rule only applies to Canadian players. Sorry
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15391 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:52 pm to
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Exactly. And why don't they go to Canada? Because Canadian Football, like the nFL, already has a lot of good players and most college players wouldn't make the cut.


So because a CFL team won't pay Eason UGA has to pay him?
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15391 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:52 pm to
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This is why the CFL says it doesn't want you straight out of high school.

“These adjustments will provide our teams with a better opportunity to select the best players available who are ready and able to join their club in training camp that season,”



The Canadian Football League announced today that it has adjusted its eligibility rules for players with non-import status in the CFL Draft.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:53 pm to
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That rule only applies to Canadian players. Sorry

Cool. Can you find me the guidelines for American players?

ETA: LINK

According to this they can't play
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 1:56 pm
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:54 pm to
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Who in their right mind would rather their family struggle to pay the bills and put food on the table, than to take perfectly legal money and risk being ineligible/sanctions for your school.

I could never blame the player for doing that.



Wow, since you put it like that I'm on board.


College students of today and yesterday foot the bill for these players. Tuition has tripled, fees for everything under the sun always getting increased. Joe Blow student has to take out crazy loans to get through school. D1 football player gets a special lunch hall with all the free food they can possibly eat, a monthly cash stipend, special tutors for free to either a) help them learn b) write their papers for them c) take their online tests d) suck them off from time to time e) coordinate w/ academic staff how to keep your lazy arse eligible

Then there's the scholarship itself and the pell grant extra cash if you came from a poor enough family and then a little spending cash from the right booster.

College is when you're supposed to figure out how to live within reason, to budget and work hard and make things work out. Juggle classses, studying, a job, maybe two or an odd job here and there and a social life.

I don't have much sympathy for a fella that always has his hand out asking for more and more. Not a single academic student on any campus in America gets a $100 handshake after acing a test or writing a compelling essay or doing something really interesting in a research project.

America get your priorities right.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:54 pm to
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Couldn't happen. TV networks would block it. Too much money at stake with current setup.





The networks or the colleges themselves. It would cost the colleges a TON of money.

But your point is correct. I didn't mean to insinuate that it would ever be done. My point was meant to be that there would be people that would be interested in doing it.
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15391 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:06 pm to
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Cool. Can you find me the guidelines for American players?

ETA: LINK

According to this they can't play



Theres a reason the rules specifically say "non-import players" instead of just players. Wiki is wrong
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