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re: Ha Ha received money from asst strength coach
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:18 pm to Captain Ron
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:18 pm to Captain Ron
Any news on the other players indicated?
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Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:19 pm to asphinctersayswhat
Lol and you think this clown is the only one to receive money? It's going to get interesting in bamaland soon..
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:20 pm to BamaELCo
quote:Student athletes and university employees are required to fully cooperate with the NCAA. Because this isn't an outside third party issue, the NCAA actually has some authority to get evidence here. I suspect at a minimum they will get all bank records from HCD and the coach and ask about any unexplained transactions. They would probably want to look at email and phone records as well.
What, beyond the bank statements, can the NCAA ask or expect Clinton-Dix to provide them?
Contrary to what someone posted just above, the NCAA doesn't have to just go with what they are provided, they could (and have in the past) determined that what they were told by a player/coach wasn't credible/logical even without contradictory evidence.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:20 pm to BGSB
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I don't really care how this turns out, I don't see it as an advantage for any other team, but I don't see how the CLAIM that he repaid the money,or the amount of money loaned/given makes this violation excusable, or less of a violation according to the rule.
It does not excuse it. The point is the NCAA seems to be more painful in punishments with schools that cover up things or appear to do so. UA has not and continues to demonstrate when a violation appears they are ahead of it. It all comes down to the NCAA does the school have control and measures in place not only to prevent but to find these violations. UA shows it does. In response to the repayment the NCAA has shown when a school cooperates in this situation two things happen, one the player is suspended a number of games and they are required to pay back the loan. Which he has or said he has. Also the fact he is stating it was a loan and not just a booster putting money in his pocket will weigh differently with the NCAA.
I do not care what the NCAA has for rules, because in the end it is how they define those rules that will count. Sometimes we like it and sometimes we do not.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:21 pm to Kcoyote
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That's because you've never been to college and don't understand how student loans work. They aren't dispersed until the middle of August for the fall semester. However, you can get an advance as early as the third week in July of up to $5000. If HCD got an advance or waited until the middle of August, he would have enough money to pay back the trivial amount he owed.
Your "I can only assume...." is absolutely pathetic.
why do you assume that he took out loans? this is the third time i've seen that ITT. generally, athletes don't need to take out loans. all their books and tuition are paid for. their meal plans are paid for. their housing is paid for. and they get a stipend. not to mention they get as much school apparel as they want. please drop the student loan, bit because that is highly unlikely. there are plenty of reasons he may have needed the money, but it's like you're trying to justify the $500 by throwing shite against the wall and hoping it sticks.
also, don't you think if this was a "student loan" issue, dix wouldn't be the only player this happened to? this would literally happen all the time and more people would be getting caught
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:21 pm to TigerBait2008
Did I miss the 4:00 Death Penalty give away???
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:23 pm to WDE24
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Student athletes and university employees are required to fully cooperate with the NCAA. Because this isn't an outside third party issue, the NCAA actually has some authority to get evidence here. I suspect at a minimum they will get all bank records from HCD and the coach and ask about any unexplained transactions. They would probably want to look at email and phone records as well.
Contrary to what someone posted just above, the NCAA doesn't have to just go with what they are provided, they could (and have in the past) determined that what they were told by a player/coach wasn't credible/logical even without contradictory evidence.
correct. the schools are required to provide whatever the ncaa asks for and the players too as long as they're still an ncaa athlete.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:23 pm to TideWarrior
Ahead of it would have been him not playing to start the season
Just a coincidence it happens during a shitty 4 game stretch?
Just a coincidence it happens during a shitty 4 game stretch?
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:23 pm to BamaELCo
All the NCAA can do is ask they have no subpoena power if HCD or bank says no they have to walk away
Why you think Manziel and everyone else from Mettensavior to Landry to Aaron Murray to Bro Wallace aren't all suspended over signing shite? The sig brokers and memorabilia dealers aren't answering the phones when the NCAA calls and that is the only means of investigation they have.
Bama's Compliance dept turned this in that is why the early word from BOL etc was "He did something stupid" and that is what it was for both parties. You think he is the only kid in the SEC over the last yr to receive a "loan" from either a staff member or a booster close to the program hell even another kids parent. These assistants are scratching and clawing to get higher up the food chain and you don't think when HaHa came to him he was gonna say "NO" ? Hell no he wasn't
Why you think Manziel and everyone else from Mettensavior to Landry to Aaron Murray to Bro Wallace aren't all suspended over signing shite? The sig brokers and memorabilia dealers aren't answering the phones when the NCAA calls and that is the only means of investigation they have.
Bama's Compliance dept turned this in that is why the early word from BOL etc was "He did something stupid" and that is what it was for both parties. You think he is the only kid in the SEC over the last yr to receive a "loan" from either a staff member or a booster close to the program hell even another kids parent. These assistants are scratching and clawing to get higher up the food chain and you don't think when HaHa came to him he was gonna say "NO" ? Hell no he wasn't
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:23 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Just like y'all didn't want anyone to "nitpick" on Cameron Newton?
Actually it looks like the NCAA didn't nitpick on a lot of things they could have like the HBO 4. Players actually admitted to receiving illegal and despite that and all the public admissions with Cam Newton the NCAA didn't act.
I realize you think Alabama should get the absolute harshest penalty possible in every situation but the NCAA has very very clearly shown that they look for ways NOT to be harsh lately with all the really bad looking cases that haven't amounted to much. The WORST that could happen based on what is known now is the vacating of the 4 games which basically ends any chance at a 3 peat. It's a logical punishment and way for the NCAA if they want to look harsh which they clearly shown they aren't lately.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:23 pm to lsursb
Wouldn't the fact that a staff member gave the loan clearly prove that Bama should've known since it happened?
I mean, the fact is that if it was a booster, I'd get the fact that you couldn't punish the school if they didn't know, but when an employee/staff member from that same team is involved it's a bit different.
Truth is HaHa should be suspended, and any games he played in since a COACH "loaned" him money, should be vacated/forfeited. Pleading ignorance shouldn't be an option here. Hell, USC could claim that too, but still got raked over the coals for Bush's crap and it was with an outsider not connected to USC.
I mean, the fact is that if it was a booster, I'd get the fact that you couldn't punish the school if they didn't know, but when an employee/staff member from that same team is involved it's a bit different.
Truth is HaHa should be suspended, and any games he played in since a COACH "loaned" him money, should be vacated/forfeited. Pleading ignorance shouldn't be an option here. Hell, USC could claim that too, but still got raked over the coals for Bush's crap and it was with an outsider not connected to USC.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:24 pm to lsufball19
The scenario:
1. REC was late paying Clinton-Dix's weekly $500.
2. Harris stepped up and covered it. ROLL TAAADH!
3. When the REC's payment showed up, he paid Harris back.
1. REC was late paying Clinton-Dix's weekly $500.
2. Harris stepped up and covered it. ROLL TAAADH!
3. When the REC's payment showed up, he paid Harris back.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:24 pm to Kcoyote
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That's because you've never been to college and don't understand how student loans work. They aren't dispersed until the middle of August for the fall semester.
We had to send our oldest tuition money because his loans hadn't been deposited. Right around the middle of august to late august he received notification that the student loan money was direct deposited into his account plus we received a reimbursement check shortly there after for paying the tuition.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:24 pm to lsufball19
Schools can't provide a bank record
That is a privately protected document
That is a privately protected document
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:25 pm to WDE24
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Contrary to what someone posted just above, the NCAA doesn't have to just go with what they are provided, they could (and have in the past) determined that what they were told by a player/coach wasn't credible/logical even without contradictory evidence.
I disagree and maybe I just do not follow enough of what is out there outside of UA, but I am unaware of anytime the NCAA has given a punishment based on a violation per hearsay when they was supporting evidence to back up the other side. Maybe when the evidence was not provided and it was one person vs. another's word yes. Please link where this has happened because I would like to read it about it.
Athletes are not required to cooperate. It is expected just as the school. The NCAA can not make any one provide a bank record including a scholarship athlete. The difference is they can suspend them for not cooperating if they feel they have enough evidence to do so.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:25 pm to cardswinagain
cardswinagain
quote:I Agree but no one from the LSU or Aub fan base other than a few in the minority want's to hear or believe this to be the most likely outcome...
I just don't see much coming out of this. Like many posters have said probably another couple game suspensions, a coach suspended indefinitely or fired. Bama seems to have done all the right things here. JMO
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:25 pm to lsufball19
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why do you assume that he took out loans? this is the third time i've seen that ITT. generally, athletes don't need to take out loans. all their books and tuition are paid for. their meal plans are paid for. their housing is paid for. and they get a stipend. not to mention they get as much school apparel as they want. please drop the student loan, bit because that is highly unlikely. there are plenty of reasons he may have needed the money, but it's like you're trying to justify the $500 by throwing shite against the wall and hoping it sticks
Dude if we was willing to take out a loan from an assistant S&C coach, why wouldn't he take one out from the federal fricking government?
The kid obviously needed money, he knows he can get it during the school year, just not the summer. I'm not throwing shite against a wall, I know what it's like to be in college and realize when you need your money.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:26 pm to diddydirtyAubie
Classic. War damn eagle.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:26 pm to pvilleguru
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Looks like a whole bunch of people are getting excited over $500.
The trashiest fan base would say this
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:26 pm to BuccWildBammer
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Why you think Manziel and everyone else from Mettensavior to Landry to Aaron Murray to Bro Wallace aren't all suspended over signing shite? The sig brokers and memorabilia dealers aren't answering the phones when the NCAA calls and that is the only means of investigation they have.
the ncaa has subpeano power over the schools and players, not the outside brokers. if alabama and/or dix doesn't cooperate, that's when you have a problem. similar to ohio st and tressel a few years ago. the schools and players have to provide the ncaa with whatever they want or risk getting hammered
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 4:27 pm
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