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re: .GIF of Dial hitting Murray.

Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:35 am to
Posted by Cholo
National City, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:35 am to
Good clean hit.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:35 am to
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I recommend you do the same. Gumps gonna Gump


Maybe I should've specified. Read the rules that actually apply to this situation not NFL rules
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17213 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:39 am to
Yea of course it's different Hypocrites
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:41 am to
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If the SEC is serious about sending a message - and this is both helmet to helmet AND protecting the QB after an INT so Ds don't target them - then they have no choice but to follow prior precedent and suspend him for the next game - so the title game


I'm sorry but I disagree. If the prior precedent you're referring to is Elston, this just isn't the same situation as the Elston hit was against a defenseless player.

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I know there NFL rules but stil this is in play


Come on now. You really believe that or you just feel like it should be in play? Big difference.
Posted by FlukerFlakes
Member since Sep 2012
1940 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:44 am to
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Maybe I should've specified. Read the rules that actually apply to this situation not NFL rules


I'll help him out.

Here are the actual COLLEGE rules on what defines a "defenseless player"

Rule 2 Section 27 Article 14

a. A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
b. A receiver whose focus is on catching a pass.
c. A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball.
d. A kick returner whose focus is on catching or recovering a kick in the
air.
e. A player on the ground at the end of a play.
f. A player obviously out of the play.


NONE of these apply to QBs trying to make a tackle.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:46 am to
I can't find it in the game thread, but there was a link to the SEC points of emphasis for 2012 and this was one of them.

Murray was clearly not in the play and Dial sought him out by taking another angle.

At the end of the day it really doesn't matter, it's crazy to see Bama fans defending this when they bitched and bitched and bitched about Mathieu's hold against Dre last year.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:46 am to
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NONE of these apply to QBs trying to make a tackle.



Do you really think he was trying to make a tackle?
Posted by Crede15
Member since Jun 2009
17248 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:46 am to
Would people have any issue with this hit if there was absolutely no hint of helmet to helmet?

If so, why?
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:47 am to
It doesn't matter what he led with if he made head to head contact. Head to head in that context should be an ejection, no questions asked.

That .gif does not help your cause.

Posted by FlukerFlakes
Member since Sep 2012
1940 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:48 am to
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It doesn't matter what he led with if he made head to head contact.


100% wrong you are.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:48 am to
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FlukerFlakes



Y'all are simply seeing what you want to see. Ever heard of the confirmation bias? You guys are a good example.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
8000 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:49 am to
I wish this thread would die.

Obviously, I feel a flag should've been thrown but what are you gonna do about it now? Nothing. It's over and no longer matters. For me, it's not about this hit, it's about giving up 350 yards on the ground and poor clock management - Irrelevant to this thread, I know, but an important point in the entire scheme of the game.

I do give Murray props for shaking it off and not crying about it.

Frick it.
Posted by Interweb Cowboy
NW Bama
Member since Dec 2010
3177 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:49 am to
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McRebel42
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with eyes to see the blatant corruption with your program


Serious question, what is the "blatant corruption" you are speaking of? Cheating, playing for pay, recruiting violations?

I thought OM looked good this year, you have a good coach and I think good potential QB play from Wallace? I think thats his name.
Posted by sawfiddle
New Hope, Alabama
Member since Aug 2008
5851 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:50 am to
Posted by TT9
Global warming
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Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:52 am to
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:53 am to
Posted by Interweb Cowboy
NW Bama
Member since Dec 2010
3177 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:55 am to
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Evolved Simian
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He clearly made material H2H contact,


Why do you think they wear helmets??

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I don't have a rule book in front of me


Obviously you don't, there is a link to one in this thread back a few pages and several people have cut and pasted the rule.

You need to go put your t-shirt back in the drawer.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
55852 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:55 am to
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:56 am to
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It doesn't matter what he led with if he made head to head contact


It's amazing how this has become the common perception lately. The first several pages of this thread are full of people claiming, "it was head to head contact therefore it's a penalty".

NEWS ALERT: While there are some instances in which H2H is a penalty, H2H contact is not a penalty in every case
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50516 posts
Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:58 am to
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A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward or parallel to his own end line and approaches the opponent from behind or from the side, and


Uh oh. Rules saying Murray was actually defenseless? NO WAY!!! Right Gumps?

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f. A player obviously out of the play.


If that doesn't apply we have this. No matter how hard you guys try to spin it Murray was NOT a part of the play. Jogging in the general direction of the ball carrier watching his teammates making the tackle doesn't make him a threat.
This post was edited on 12/2/12 at 12:04 pm
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