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Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 1:50 pm to
Y'all had the momentum until this little run
Posted by arkyhawk
SWMO
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 1:50 pm to
Some pretty pathetic effort there too.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 1:50 pm to
he even said yesterday that rebounding was the most overrated stat in basketball. thats just silly. i get Anderson plays the game a little differently but if you cant rebound you cant be successful. it's pretty simple.

Arkansas has hit the offensive boards better today than yesterday though.
This post was edited on 11/26/13 at 1:52 pm
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 1:52 pm to
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cant rebound you cant be successful. it's pretty simple.


I agree with this statement.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43400 posts
Posted on 11/26/13 at 1:52 pm to
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To admit that rebounding is an important part of basketball will be to admit that Anderson isn't Jesus Christ. It's not happening. Not this year.



Rebounding is over rated, people make it out to be more than it is.

Quinnipec led the country in that statistical category last season, Mizzou was second, neither one made it the round of 32 in the tourney.
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 1:53 pm to
There are always exceptions to the rule. Where did the final four teams rank the last few years? Hnestly curious.
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 1:54 pm to
Sorry Dale, I love you like a brother but I feel like I'm one of the growing minority that thinks rebounding is very important.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 1:56 pm to
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Rebounding is over rated, people make it out to be more than it is.

If you don't play defense, it doesn't matter how well you rebound (Mizzou's problem at the end of last year). So, rebounding isn't a total solution for a team.

But, if you can't rebound, it severely limits the impact of a good defense. Missed shots due to good d become easy putbacks because of weak rebounding.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:00 pm to
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If you don't play defense, it doesn't matter how well you rebound (Mizzou's problem at the end of last year). So, rebounding isn't a total solution for a team.

But, if you can't rebound, it severely limits the impact of a good defense. Missed shots due to good d become easy putbacks because of weak rebounding.


All a defensive rebound does is end a possession, a steal or forced turnover does the exact same thing.

An offensive rebound is worth nothing more than extending a possession unless points are the result.

So to accurately chart it, you would have to determine how many points resulted from an OFF board on both ends. Most people just do it as a rebound margin differential which is important, but varies from game to game.

A team could get 45 boards a game but it wouldn't matter if they were -10 in the differential, it gets even worse when the -x in turnover differential.

Rebound statistics are a non important statistic.

Most games are won or lost on the free throw line anyway, either by a team missing free points or by the differential in attempts and makes in a game.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:07 pm to
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An offensive rebound is worth nothing more than extending a possession unless points are the result.

If a team is shooting 45% and gets 10 offensive rebounds, that does translate into points, theoretically and pragmatically (offensive rebounds often result in fouls or short shots).
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Rebounding is a non-important statistic.

It is certainly not a guaranteed way to win a game. But poor rebounding is not a good guarantor of winning either.
Posted by TheOtherWhiteMeat
Fort Smith
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:10 pm to
Ive just caught the second half so far, but we look the better team. Have we looked better all game?
Posted by piggilicious
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:10 pm to
that was a quick 7 points.
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:11 pm to
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Ive just caught the second half so far, but we look the better team. Have we looked better all game?



Excluding the last 2 min of the 1st when we were outscored 9-1 because we played sloppy we have looked a ton better
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:11 pm to
I'm glad we made the last one but enough 28 foot jumpers please.

ETA: missed the next one
This post was edited on 11/26/13 at 2:12 pm
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:11 pm to
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Rebounding is over rated, people make it out to be more than it is.


Shut the frick up. That's absurd.
Posted by Gcockboi
Rock Hill
Member since Oct 2012
7689 posts
Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:11 pm to
Arky 10-0 run, looking good!
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37310 posts
Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:11 pm to
10-0 run to start the 2nd. keep it up pigs!
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96846 posts
Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:12 pm to
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Ive just caught the second half so far, but we look the better team. Have we looked better all game?



no pretty even most of the first half. minnesota went on a run late to be up 5.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43400 posts
Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:12 pm to
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Where did the final four teams rank the last few years?


Last year:

Cuse -20th
Michigan - 152nd
Witchita State - 27th
Louisville - 49th

Arkansas - 161st
Posted by TheOtherWhiteMeat
Fort Smith
Member since Nov 2009
20457 posts
Posted on 11/26/13 at 2:13 pm to
Hope we dont pull that shite at the end of the second.

Reeled off 10 straight here, nice.
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