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re: Game over for Cam, as far as eligibility is concerned
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:10 pm to MsGarrison
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:10 pm to MsGarrison
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Right now Cam is eligible because he is not playing at MSU if he was at MSU he would been ruled ineligible as soon as these allegations came out.
false. he is ineligible wherever he goes...
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Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:11 pm to MsGarrison
quote:Uh, no. He is ineligible to play anywhere. It is Auburn's job to declare him ineligible and ask for reinstatement. They are playing a known ineligible player. They will be punished for this more than just the forfeited games.
Right now Cam is eligible because he is not playing at MSU if he was at MSU he would been ruled ineligible as soon as these allegations came out. Until some money trail or person(s) speak in reference to Cam Newton and his recruiting at Auburn he should remain eligible to play there.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:11 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Here's the quote again for the millionth time from Don Jackson (leading NCAA attorney) rendering his opinion on the matter.
Au fans having been jumping on his nuts the last few days. He has as much intimate knowledge about what's going on in this investigation as any of us do. While he's had experience in working with the NCAA in cases. He doesn't know what they know, nor does he know all that is involved in this case, so to use his comments from the radio in asking his opinion about what is in the public at this time, is just as speculative.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:12 pm to LSU316
quote:ok, I will.
I may be dumb but walk me through this
quote:First, I didn't necessarily say ineligibility could not be the punishment. I only stated that Cam is not automatically ineligible based on this:
So if you say that ineligibility is not the punishment and AU is in the clear (aka no punishment for AU) then what is the punishment for the NCAA violation that the NCAA rep clearly laid out???
quote:Thus, conceivably, if the NCAA found no culpability on the part of Cam or AU, then ineligibility might not be the punishment.
Osburn said the potential penalties for such a violation depend on multiple factors, including the "level of the benefit" being sought and the level of responsibility of the student-athlete.
It certainly appears that he could be declared ineligible. And I don't fault anyone for making a reasonable argument that they think he should be ruled ineligible. Hope that helps.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:12 pm to Roaad
Everyone knows about Rogers.. He is a crook looking for a dollar.. Cecil Newton did ask for money and by all means he shouldve not been pimping his son out to MSU.. NO MONEY has been mentioned of exchanging hands..
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:12 pm to LSU316
I can't believe the denial going on.
Wow.
Wow.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:14 pm to MsGarrison
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Cecil Newton did ask for money and by all means he shouldve not been pimping his son out to MSU
this is game, set, match as far as eligibility is concerned. the act of soliciting money, whether it ever changes hands or not, is a violation.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:14 pm to MsGarrison
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Cecil Newton did ask for money and by all means he shouldve not been pimping his son out to MSU.. NO MONEY has been mentioned of exchanging hands
As far as the FBI is concerned, it still matters.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:15 pm to Alahunter
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Au fans having been jumping on his nuts the last few days. He has as much intimate knowledge about what's going on in this investigation as any of us do. While he's had experience in working with the NCAA in cases. He doesn't know what they know, nor does he know all that is involved in this case, so to use his comments from the radio in asking his opinion about what is in the public at this time, is just as speculative.
Agreed. However, it's no different than the first (10) posters on this thread jumping to the conclusion that Cam is now ineligible. That was my point. Sorry if some took it the wrong way.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:15 pm to WDE24
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then ineligibility might not be the punishment.
Then what is the punishment we are not punishing Cam or AU.....we got that as our given.
Do we fine Cecil??? Do we put Cecil in jail??? Do we punish Miss St who we also really can't prove did anything wrong.
If there is a violation, which I think is cut and dry if you take the ESPN article for fact, then what is the punishment if not ineligibility for Cam?
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:19 pm to Aubie Spr96
I just think it's beginning to look more bleak for Auburn. There seems to be more and more corrorborating incidents that lead to Cecil shopping Cam around. While this doesn't directly implicate Auburn in itself. The fact that Cam let his dad decide where he was going, and the fact that Cecil is looking dirty is looking bad for Auburn. It's like in the trial over the Means case, when Bama booster told the judge, but other schools were doing it. The judge said.. but it was Bama that signed him. I think this is going to end up a very similar situation in the end.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:21 pm to Alahunter
One of the key points here is that, slowly, everything that was written off as "just an unsubstantiated rumor" by some on here. . .is becoming fact.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:21 pm to LSU316
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Then what is the punishment we are not punishing Cam or AU.....we got that as our given.
That is for the NCAA to decide. This is the first case of its kind.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:23 pm to parkjas2001
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That is for the NCAA to decide. This is the first case of its kind.
With Cecil's own admission, if the comment from Cam about "the money was too much" is at all true...then he obviously knew, and ineligibility would likely happen IMO. Don't see why else it wouldn't.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:25 pm to 1999
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i think the rest of the nation is about to find out just how desperate they are to beat bama
Why would we be desperate to do something we've done more often than not for a generation now?
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:26 pm to Alahunter
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I just think it's beginning to look more bleak for Auburn. There seems to be more and more corrorborating incidents that lead to Cecil shopping Cam around. While this doesn't directly implicate Auburn in itself. The fact that Cam let his dad decide where he was going, and the fact that Cecil is looking dirty is looking bad for Auburn. It's like in the trial over the Means case, when Bama booster told the judge, but other schools were doing it. The judge said.. but it was Bama that signed him. I think this is going to end up a very similar situation in the end.
It's starting to look like this will be the case. However, I don't see how today's news changes the eligibility question.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:27 pm to Aubie Spr96
This entire sequence of events has be nauseated. There is truly something remarkable about how the best of Auburn seasons end up being horrible.
This post was edited on 11/17/10 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:28 pm to Ross
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There truly something remarkable about how the best of Auburn seasons end up being horrible.
Is it bad that I spit water on my keyboard when I read that
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:31 pm to Aubie Spr96
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However, I don't see how today's news changes the eligibility question
I don't think Cam will sit any this year. I think this is going to be an over the summer investigation and will take awhile to sort out, with so many individuals now involved. Now that the NCAA is looking into it, they can take their time to gather all the info they can, and they can wait on the FBI and trials to take place if they choose to. However the season plays out this year is going to play out. Auburn may very well go on to win the BCS or stumble. But the potential outcome of the season in the record books may not be decided for another year or two down the road. Until the investigation is completed, there will be a stink on this season, right or wrong.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 6:32 pm to Aubie Spr96
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It's starting to look like this will be the case. However, I don't see how today's news changes the eligibility question.
It has to do with the evidence coming out of the Mississippi State situation, and if that 3-way conference call actually happened.
Keep in mind Auburn doesn't have to be in trouble for Cam to be ruled ineligible. The minute someone in his camp asked for money from ANY school, his eligibility is forfeited. Auburn could easily end up not getting in trouble and still have to forfeit/vacate wins.
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