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re: Former La. Governor Edwin Edwards on Cam Newton Situation
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:20 pm to timlan2057
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:20 pm to timlan2057
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Former La. Governor Edwin Edwards on Cam Newton Situation
pot meet kettle.
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:21 pm to rangers911
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This is trouble...for MSU not for Auburn.
then why lawyer up?
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:23 pm to double nickel
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then why lawyer up?
Are you serious? This is as dumb as saying, "if you didn't break the law you have nothing to hide." when it comes to a search warrant.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:32 pm to rangers911
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Every school involved in Newton's recruitment has said no money was asked but MSU.
Bob Stoops said he was never asked for money. Was Dan Mullen ever asked for money? Wouldn't it be stupid to blatantly ask the head coach for money? Whenever something illegal goes down with the college football, the chain of command is set up so that the head coach would have no idea that this or that was going on. How come it's always some low-level assistant coach who takes the fall when some NCAA violation occurs. So yes, when you ask a head coach whether he was approached for money from a recruit's family, of course he's going to say, "No."
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:35 pm to OFWHAP
Bob Stoops said he was never asked for money. Was Dan Mullen ever asked for money? Wouldn't it be stupid to blatantly ask the head coach for money?
Good post.
It's called "plausible deniability."
This principle is not understood--or purposely misunderstood--by those simply in denial.
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Whenever something illegal goes down with the college football, the chain of command is set up so that the head coach would have no idea that this or that was going on. How come it's always some low-level assistant coach who takes the fall when some NCAA violation occurs. So yes, when you ask a head coach whether he was approached for money from a recruit's family, of course he's going to say, "No."
Good post.
It's called "plausible deniability."
This principle is not understood--or purposely misunderstood--by those simply in denial.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:38 pm to MsGarrison
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FBI is not investigating Auburn.. I personally think its after Bond and company
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IMHO, I think the FBI was involved for another reason and just happened upon the football stuff in their wiretaps.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:39 pm to MsGarrison
Accidental, double post.
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:40 pm to timlan2057
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This principle is not understood--or purposely misunderstood--by those simply in denial.
I can say that Pat Dye didn't understand that principle either. He was personally involved, and caught on tape, in helping his players get paid.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:40 pm to rangers911
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This is trouble...for MSU not for Auburn.
I did not understand this situation clearly until now. MSU is in trouble for NOT paying/signing Cam. But AU who paid/signed Cam is clean as a whistle.
I think this whole thing is George Bush's fault.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:41 pm to rangers911
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Every school involved in Newton's recruitment has said no money was asked but MSU. Every person involved that has released any kind of a statement is an MSU booster or former player. Auburn "lawyered up" before the season started and was in constant contact with the NCAA before the season started. We investigated Cecil, Auburn's staff, and major Auburn boosters, phone records were looked at, emails, and various forms of communication along with financial records and other things. Also note Cecil voluntarily handed over his and his church's statements to the NCAA and to Auburn, Auburn requested them before the season started. After going through everything, with the SEC, NCAA, and our compliance staff and a 3rd party lawyer, nothing was found connectiong Auburn to a pay for play.
There is a possibility that something could be found in the future but as of before the season and the last meeting Auburn was told as long as no one affiliated with Auburn is found to have discussed pay for play Newton "will likely" be ruled eligible at the end of the proceedings.
The FBI is involved due to a slew of other circumstances surrounding the case that given what is out there I'd be very nervous if I was MSU.
Auburn has NEVER been implicated in any of this from day one. All of the information released has implicated MSU. It was finally let out that the "recruiters" were not MSU coaches but MSU coaches were reportedly at the hotel and present when pay for play was discussed. Auburn is guilt by association right now. If Newton asked for money from MSU he must have asked for money from Auburn. Never mind the fact Auburn did a MASSIVE investigation that was joined by the NCAA and SEC and found nothing. Also OU and UT have come out and said nothing out of the ordinary on their recruitment of Cam. Everything in the public right now points at MSU yet people are making ASSumptions that Auburn ultimately paid.
Did not read....
1) Cecil solicited Pay-for-Play cash.
2) Cam is inelligible.
3) Auburn Played Cam.
4) Auburn will forfeit/vacate all wins where Cam played.
This is the ABSOLUTE minimum that will happen to Auburn. If more is uncovered, Auburn will receive more sanctions.
Auburn knowingly and willfully playing an ineligible player is screwing other teams and players from the rightful cance at success. They have openned themsleves up to civil suit IMO.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:42 pm to beaver
double trouble
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:45 pm to MsGarrison
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Louisiana politics are one of the worst in the nation.
Uh yeah, looks like Alabama (especially Barner) politics are as clean as a whistle.
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:49 pm to rangers911
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We investigated Cecil, Auburn's staff, and major Auburn boosters, phone records were looked at, emails, and various forms of communication along with financial records and other things. Also note Cecil voluntarily handed over his and his church's statements to the NCAA and to Auburn, Auburn requested them before the season started. After going through everything, with the SEC, NCAA, and our compliance staff and a 3rd party lawyer, nothing was found connectiong Auburn to a pay for play.
That is called having you lawyers go through everything to make sure that you covered all of your bases. The FBI calls it doctoring the books however.
I had an FBI agent tell me a few years ago that a case involving records (what they refer to as a document case) is the easiest case to track down and prosecute because there is no way for someone to cover their tracks even with the best attorneys looking over their information. There is alwyas something that they forget to do and that is what gets them.
If you will notice the FBI has sat back and allowed everyone else to make statement. They love it when people come forward and start talking, they just sit back and take notes.
Cecils story changed 4 times on the record in 9 days do you really think this idiot can cover his tracks?
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:08 pm to BamaScoop
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They are involved because money has changed hands to a non-profit and Uncle Sam didn't get his
sorry man, but that's not the way it works. the tax code gives the donor a tax deduction and the nonprofit does not have to pay taxes on it. they DO have to report it though as their books are just as much subject to audit as for profits. the donor that is doing something against ncaa rules (like paying a ballplayer) could still get the write off but that would make the money more traceable so they probably would not write it off. however, if it's corporate money, there must be an accounting entry for it and if they try to write if off as a necessary business expense (sec 102 expense like buying delivery trucks, etc) they will get busted. i would think these guys know more about how to do this than you or i. they probably simply donate cash by liquidating a personal investment and if smart, pay any applicable taxes if a gain is realized. still be hard to trace unless you know who did it.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:13 pm to ljhog
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I did not understand this situation clearly until now. MSU is in trouble for NOT paying/signing Cam. But AU who paid/signed Cam is clean as a whistle. I think this whole thing is George Bush's fault.
MSU has 4 boosters or former players directly involved with talks in a pay for play. Also by implication from these people 2 coaches are also "reported" to be directly involved in these talks.
Auburn has never found any cash that changed hands or any talks of pay for play for Newton. This has been investigated to death, it is possible for the FBI to find something but after everything that was investigated before I'd rate that as an extremely low chance.
Name a single person at Auburn implicated in discussions in pay for play.
Name people at MSU implicated in pay for play.
I'll let you think on that one for a bit. Auburn is thought to have because Cecil spoke with MSU about money. Note there is at yet no Auburn booster, coach, faculty member, or fan that has been implicated in paying for Newton everything is just believed to have happened.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:31 pm to rangers911
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MSU has 4 boosters or former players directly involved with talks in a pay for play. Also by implication from these people 2 coaches are also "reported" to be directly involved in these talks.
Because they have come forward and told their story and MSU reported it.
If an Auburn booster had paid (and I am not saying they did), would you expect someone to have come forward to implicate themselves and the university, and knowing the FBI is involved? If anyone involved with Auburn did pay, what you can expect from them at this point is either utter silence or perhaps denial that anyone did anything wrong. At this point silence or denial is not something I would put much stock in. Most folks who are accused of wrongdoing deny it for as long as possible or remain silent.
Given that it seems nearly undeniable that Cecil sought payment for Cam's signing with MSU, and there is at least some implication, if the report is accurate concerning "the money was too good," it is at least reasonable to suspect that someone paid Cam to play at Auburn. Again, it hasn't been proved, but the fact that no one has been specifically implicated at this point is not surprising, nor is it evidence that nothing happened. It may turn out that nothing improper happened in Auburn's recruiting Cam (and frankly I would hope that is the case), but silence or lack of specific evidence pointing to any particular person(s) is hardly comforting. Those who have access to this information, namely the NCAA, the FBI, or the SEC are not likely to say anything until they are ready to make their conclusions publicly known. Auburn and anyone who might be involved are going to remain silent until they don't have a choice, or until they have conclusive proof that nothing untoward happened. Right now, silence is the expected response and unless someone leaks information, no finger will be pointed until the investigating agencies are ready to go public with their evidence. That may be a while yet.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:46 pm to timlan2057
My ex-second cousin-in-law speaks the truth. He's been there and done that. Probably should have done it more than once.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:11 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Did not read....
1) Cecil solicited Pay-for-Play cash.
2) Cam is inelligible.
3) Auburn Played Cam.
4) Auburn will forfeit/vacate all wins where Cam played.
seems like common sense
the idea by some that Cam's father only asked for money from MSU is a big
to me too There's no incentive for OU and UT to be honest about them being asked now... since they should have reported it... and at a minimum admitting they were asked would mean an investigation of their football program by the NCAA
Much simpler and smarter to just say "nope, was never asked... never heard a thing" unless you think they have real evidence against you
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:15 pm to OFWHAP
when someone gets caught for speeding, how many times did they speed before getting caught?
Laundered money, point shaving, payoffs, bribes, extortion etc.
Laundered money, point shaving, payoffs, bribes, extortion etc.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:17 pm to molsusports
quote:it doesn't matter if cam knew or auburn knew. If his dad did that for any reason to anyone, cam is toast
the idea by some that Cam's father only asked for money from MSU is a big to me too
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