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re: Florida trying to back out of 13 million dollar contract with incoming QB recruit
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:06 am to Hugh McElroy
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:06 am to Hugh McElroy
13 million no fricking way
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:08 am to Hugh McElroy
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Florida trying to back out of 13 million dollar contract with incoming QB recruit
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:08 am to Hugh McElroy
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13 million dollar contract
Hard to believe, but if true, anyone stupid enough pay any recruit even close to that amount deserves to have it blow up in their face
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:11 am to tylerdurden24
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A single party in the House can’t play nice enough within itself to elect a Speaker in a timely manner. Congress is going to struggle just to pass budgets over the next 2 years, they’re not touching college football right now.
I didn't say that they were going to make this a priority, simply that a legislature with fewer than 535 retards *could* make changes, statutorily.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:14 am to SouthernInsanity
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Because isn't the purpose of NIL to pay kids for just that... their name, imagine and likeness and not a contract. Because if these are contracts then why are kids allowed to basically void them at will by leaving one school for another? Unless these are year to year deals.... in which case, NIL is nothing more that pay for play.
The contract isn't between the school and player. The contract is between the player and a 3rd party who (supposedly) is paying for endorsements.
The problem is the people paying money to recruits (rather than players already on the team) are boosters. They are paying for a player to come to their school... but they can't OFFICIALLY put that in a contract because it's not allowed by NIL. This creates a contractual problem.
1. If the booster pays the player before they sign/enroll at a school... the player could go elsewhere. the booster doesn't want to do this.
2. If he booster pays the player after the sign/enroll... it's hard to actually make them pay once the player is signed. There's no contract yet (other than a verbal contract which would be invalid since you CAN'T make attending a particular school part of the NIL contract.
This is where UF is at. Their boosters aren't paying what they said they would... and the player is refusing to enroll... and neither can claim the deal was dependent upon him enrolling. Quite a mess for UF and the player.
The idea behind NIL was never pay for play. It was for a player who's a big name (like Caleb Williams for example) to get paid based on his name, not where he goes to school. National advertisers don't care if he plays for OU or USC... they care that he's Caleb Williams. The other idea was for a lesser name to get a deal year by year for something like a local car dealership while at a school... but it would be due to him being a star on the local team, not money paid IN ADVANCE to lure him to that team.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 11:21 am
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:17 am to nrz
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Florida paying the "We suck arse" premium
'Aggie has joined the conversation...'
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:20 am to SouthernInsanity
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Because isn't the purpose of NIL to pay kids for just that... their name, imagine and likeness and not a contract. Because if these are contracts then why are kids allowed to basically void them at will by leaving one school for another? Unless these are year to year deals.... in which case, NIL is nothing more that pay for play.
My understanding is that many are month-to-month deals. Think of how they are supposed to work. Theoretically, and in its purest form, a company believes it will increase revenue by having a star athlete endorse its product. Accordingly, it contracts with said athlete to use his name, his image and/or his likeness to promote its product. The contract renews every month but both parties possess a unilateral right not to renew.
Let's say the athlete transfers to another school after one year. The company selling mostly to regional customers no longer views the star athlete as having a positive influence on sales. Accordingly, the company chooses not to renew the monthly contracts going forward.
That is the arrangement in its purest form. What is actually happening behind closed doors is another matter.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:25 am to Hugh McElroy
No chance that number is real
Anything close to that and the people at Florida are dumber than they look
You can get a proven QB out the portal for a quater of that money
Anything close to that and the people at Florida are dumber than they look
You can get a proven QB out the portal for a quater of that money
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:29 am to ipodking
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No chance that number is real
Anything close to that and the people at Florida are dumber than they look
You can get a proven QB out the portal for a quater of that money
Wouldn't someone clarify the matter, if it weren't accurate?
Besides, your premise is dependent on Florida handling this like functioning adults. They've not proven they can successfully navigate the modern CFB landscape of transfer portal & NIL.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:33 am to VoxDawg
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I didn't say that they were going to make this a priority, simply that a legislature with fewer than 535 retards *could* make changes, statutorily.
I'm not sure how they could do that. In Justice Kavanaugh's concurring opinion in Alston he states:
“[n]owhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. . . .”
Granted the decision was against NCAA regulations, but I just don't see how Congress can pass a law that would prohibit an individual from entering into a legal contract to be paid for his association with a business or product having nothing to do with the school.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 11:52 am
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:33 am to Hugh McElroy
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Nothing can kill NIL. The courts have ruled that the NCAA cannot legally forbid college athletes from signing NIL deals.
That's not really true.
These are not NIL deals. These are pay to play deals that are posing as NIL deals.
Also, there is nothing that says the NCAA can't limit the boosters of schools - they can.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:33 am to Hugh McElroy
Tommy Tuberville will save us with sensible NIL legislation.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:53 am to Hugh McElroy
This is probably an up to 13 million dollar contract.
It wouldn't surprise me if you had stipulations and incentives such as staying four years. Being the starting quarterback on a division winning, conference winning, playoff winning and championship winning team. Maybe an incentive for beating FSU and Georgia. You know, shite like that.
The contract (if all conditions are met) probably adds up to 13 million dollars.
Nobody in their right fricking mind is collecting millions of dollars to give to a kid, that only recently had his balls drop.
It wouldn't surprise me if you had stipulations and incentives such as staying four years. Being the starting quarterback on a division winning, conference winning, playoff winning and championship winning team. Maybe an incentive for beating FSU and Georgia. You know, shite like that.
The contract (if all conditions are met) probably adds up to 13 million dollars.
Nobody in their right fricking mind is collecting millions of dollars to give to a kid, that only recently had his balls drop.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:55 am to lowspark12
No freaking way there was a signed contract for $13 million… I refuse to believe that..
People are just throwing shite against the wall, to see if it sticks.
Wouldn't a sensible person think that if UF was willing to pay $13 million for a QB. Wouldn't you be able to get the absolute best QB 5 star in the country with that amount of money?
People are just throwing shite against the wall, to see if it sticks.
Wouldn't a sensible person think that if UF was willing to pay $13 million for a QB. Wouldn't you be able to get the absolute best QB 5 star in the country with that amount of money?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:56 am to 3down10
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hat's not really true.
These are not NIL deals. These are pay to play deals that are posing as NIL deals.
Also, there is nothing that says the NCAA can't limit the boosters of schools - they can.
totally agree. this is not fair market value being paid, it's booster money and boosters have always been regulated by the NCAA --they are de facto the school
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:57 am to DawginSC
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The idea behind NIL was never pay for play
No, but Stevie Wonder could have seen that's where this was going.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:02 pm to Hugh McElroy
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Nothing can kill NIL. The courts have ruled that the NCAA cannot legally forbid college athletes from signing NIL deals.
Yep. What situations like this are going to do is kill a program or two. Like it or not, the NCAA still has rules about what an institiution can do and sooner or later some school will get busted for being too "involved" in NIL deals. Don't think for a second that a scorned teenager won't throw a school under the bus.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:06 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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2019 = last real year of college football
Sorry LSU is a broke bitch
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:25 pm to Hugh McElroy
Even the NFL has a rookie cap. Why can't college? $13 million over 4 years is mid-late first round money for NFL rookie contracts including signing bonus.
If high schoolers are truly getting that kind of offer, you better believe the player's association is going to be looking for more for NFL players.
If high schoolers are truly getting that kind of offer, you better believe the player's association is going to be looking for more for NFL players.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:41 pm to solus
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Sorry LSU is a broke bitch
Broke as frickin' shite.
TAF has to dig through its sofa cushions to buy players and then they have to bargain shop in the portal.
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