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Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:20 am to 49 to nada
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:20 am to 49 to nada
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Even though the court ruling has been a net benefit to my school
But only in the short term, right? I mean, how long do other schools continue to line up for an arse-kicking? They won't have any fans, herego no proceeds coming from it.
Put 10 people on an island. Give them all $1. In 10 years, 1 person will have the $10.
The Supreme Court ruling has allowed this analogy to play out.
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Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:36 am to MtVernon
The final nail in the coffin was letting Kirby manipulate them into coming after N1cO.
That spurred UT to come out swinging, and they knocked the NCAA out cold.
That spurred UT to come out swinging, and they knocked the NCAA out cold.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:38 am to MtVernon
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The NIL, the portal, etc.... what caused it?
SCOTUS was unanimous in their ruling. Both liberals and conservatives.
Supreme Court Justice Brett Cavanaugh said it best:
"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate," Kavanaugh wrote. "And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different.
"The NCAA is not above the law."
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:40 am to MtVernon
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Ok, so that makes sense. The NCAA was trying to hold the line, and *politics* killed this game.
No. When all 9 SCOTUS justices vote against you, it is not politics.
It means you totally screwed up.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:44 am to MtVernon
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I will suspect that the Supreme Court was to a large degree influenced by public reasoning (liberal outcry) on this one.
NO! Are you saying Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Cavanaugh are liberal?
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:48 am to PeleofAnalytics
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Not sure about "liberal outcry". It seems to be a fairly conservative ideal for people to freely engage in a capitalistic free market economy and any barriers put in place might be at odds with American ideals.
I personally don't like the result because I enjoyed the ideal or fantasy of these athletes being loyal to their schools and playing for the love of the game but that just isn't reality.
100% agree.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:48 am to MtVernon
A lot of anti-trust suits
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:53 am to Stinger_1066
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"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate,"
1) If you want to play "conservative", then fair market rate should be what is required to attract the worker. Hell... players would have played even without scholarships - they probably would have preferred it.
2) The "product" is defined such that barriers to participation serve to sustain the life and equity of the product. He calls it a "theory" that these barriers are necessary. It ain't no theory.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:05 pm to MtVernon
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The NIL, the portal, etc.... what caused it?
Greed of the universities
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:10 pm to MtVernon
Once athletes are considered employees that will inevitably lead to unionization and that’s probably where you’ll see some sanity begin.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:10 pm to Stinger_1066
quote:It also means the NCAA was damn lucky to have the gravy train for as long as they did, more than 5 decades to be exact. Yes football programs brought in more revenue than the others in the 60's and earlier, but nowhere near the multi-million per year tv deals, merchandising etc we have today.
No. When all 9 SCOTUS justices vote against you, it is not politics.
It means you totally screwed up.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:11 pm to MtVernon
MtVernon, I agree with your summation on this complete mess that college football has become.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:12 pm to Stinger_1066
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When all 9 SCOTUS justices vote against you, it is not politics.
Simplified, politics is what leads us to two conclusions. Either conclusion can be rationalized depending on influence, and even moreso in the context of pre-existing (or lack thereof) familarity. One conclusion may be intuitive, while the other may be counter-intuitive. Intuitive does not mean truth.
All to say, if founded, then legalese could have been drafted to fully support the CFB model.
Assuming all 9 justices had no prior personal convictions (or even awareness) on the issue, public sentiment and intuitive reasoning ruled the day, and became a judgement.
Stop it fans. We did this. Stop passing the buck. Oklahoma and Alabama (for example) bitched about the NCAA for decades. Now what? You got what you wanted. Cheat all you want. And line up and let the rich guys bust that backwoods, poverty-stricken arse.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:13 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Greed of the universities
You're right. Scotty doesn't know.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:19 pm to IamNotaRobot
"Once employees are considered employees. . . ,"
Precisely what will happen and sooner rather than later.
Precisely what will happen and sooner rather than later.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:25 pm to HenryV
I see what you did there and don’t disagree. It’ll be a thing before we know it.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:32 pm to MtVernon
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Explain to me what I am missing
A friend.
A bag of dildos.
A real football team.
Winning in Big 12.
A decent color for uniforms.
Must I go on?
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:36 pm to MtVernon
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quote:Greed of the universities You're right. Scotty doesn't know.
Im astounded at the lack of people on this board who have not seen Eurotrip
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:19 pm to MtVernon
No they didn’t try to control anything. They kept saying no until it ended up in the courts,
NCAA routinely takes an arse kicking when something NIL related gets in the court system.
NCAA is fricking clueless. Now it is a free for all and they are hoping state laws will help.
NCAA routinely takes an arse kicking when something NIL related gets in the court system.
NCAA is fricking clueless. Now it is a free for all and they are hoping state laws will help.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:39 pm to MtVernon
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Simplified, politics is what leads us to two conclusions. Either conclusion can be rationalized depending on influence, and even moreso in the context of pre-existing (or lack thereof) familarity. One conclusion may be intuitive, while the other may be counter-intuitive. Intuitive does not mean truth.
All to say, if founded, then legalese could have been drafted to fully support the CFB model.
Assuming all 9 justices had no prior personal convictions (or even awareness) on the issue, public sentiment and intuitive reasoning ruled the day, and became a judgement.
No, it did not. I can't speak for every justice, but I can almost guarantee that Gorsuch, Coney - Barrett and Cavanaugh looked at this purely from a constitutional and precedent perspective.
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